# How were the pyramids in Egypt built? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 7, 2014, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559 "2014-12-07T10:40:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/221 "2015-04-20T14:56:30Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > In the center is often depicted short lines which represent the “djed” which is the scientific term for the device that allowed the water spray to be “stable and enduring”. The djed was a choke on the well cap which was adjustable by moving five teeth set into the flow and could be aimed using the w3s-sceptre. Please give a cite showing that “djed” is an actual scientific term for what you say it is, and not yet another unsupported idea of yours that you’ve presented as “fact”. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/222 "2015-04-20T15:00:14Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > In other words without a motive force or (and?) an efficient means the pyramid couldn’t have been built at that time. It required about 25 HP at 100% efficiency for twenty years. There simply isn’t room for the number of men required to accomplish this with most proposed means. This is especially true when you factor in that they only worked part of the day and part of the year. 100 men can produce 25HP readily. They had thousands of men, enough to have multiple crews working at once. And most of that weight was not very far off the ground. They had to move the blocks from the quarry to the barges and then from the barges to the pyramid site, not to mention the huge number of men shaping the stones with copper tools, and all the men who had to constantly sharpen and make new tools as they rapidly wore out. They had the manpower or the pyramids could not have been built. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/223 "2015-04-20T15:06:08Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Only in your imagination. “Djed” is the symbol in hieroglyphics representing stability. Yes! It means “stable and enduring” which is how we might say “stable in four dimensions”. This is the way they spoke and thought. Scientific terms were simply axiomatic. They desired the djed impart stability to the water in height, direction, and time so they named it accordingly. It was a hollow sycamore fig log that was seared on the inside, wrapped in rope and placed on the eye of horus. It was grown by (mostly female) scientists for this express purpose. The scientific perspective was “wepwawet” which meant “opener of the way” because the djed opened the way of the god (atum). The djed was operated by the “blessed dead” so named due to the danger of the job caused by hydrogen sulfide and CO2. He used a w3s-sceptre to operate it underneath the mehet weret cow which “channeled the celestial waters” through the upper eye of horus above near which sat the fire-pan. “Wepwawet” was one of the two jackal “gods” which built the pyramid. The other was “anubis” who sat atop the growing pyramid and directed all operations. Even though they desired water flow to be stable and enduring, wepwawet did not always cooperate with anubis. The actual person who directed operation was the “anubis priest” (scientist) and he worked in coinjunction with the “prophets” (those who make scientifdic predictions) and the archetect known as the “Chief of Seers”. Anubis sent the orders to the ferrymen, masons, and boat overseers aqnd was in close communication with wepwawet by means of the nbht-sceptre. Modern people have simply taken the entire ancient culture and all known facts and run it through a blender. We can’t see the tomatoes in the tomato juice. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/224 "2015-04-20T15:16:30Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > Yes! It means “stable and enduring” which is how we might say “stable in four dimensions”. And we might not, depending on how much we’ve had to drink and what music we are listening to at the time. The rest of your post is authentic frontier gibberish that totally ignores the question, so let’s give it another shot, and _do_ try to focus in on the question I am actually asking, please: Can you give a cite showing that “djed” is an actual scientific term for what you say it is, and not yet another unsupported idea of yours that you’ve presented as “fact”? By a “cite” I mean a verification from someone other than yourself, of course. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/225 "2015-04-20T15:16:52Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > This is a good thread-but i wanted to ask about the famous 'bent" pyramid-this was a big mistake by the Egyptian engineers-the pyramid was starting to collapse (because the sides were canted at to steep an angle). This was fixed by lowering the angle of the sides from that point tot he top (giving the bent appearance). Did the builders leave any word about why the mistake was made? Were any ramps used on this pyramid/ I don’t have a strong opinion on the reason this pyramid is shaped as it is. I seriously doubt that ramps were a primary means of lifting the weight of any great pyramid. It’s hardly impossible they were employed at Meidum or the Red Pyramid but I believe with more data we’d see they were not. G3 was probably built without water but using similar techniques to the older pyramids. Khentkawes pyramid to the south of G3 might have been built with the same counterweight run on the cliff face as G1. Most of these others are mere speculation for me due to the dearth of evidence. G2 may have been built with the same mehet weret as G1. Djoser’s Pyramid and the Great Pyramid (G1) are much more easily “solved” that the others. Not only is the evidence more extensive but modern knowledge is more widely reported. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/226 "2015-04-20T15:30:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Please give a cite showing that “djed” is an actual scientific term for what you say it is, and not yet another unsupported idea of yours that you’ve presented as “fact”. You do realize that while I steal ideas freely that this theory is solely my own work and that it differes from all other ideas about the culture, the nature of humanity, and the interpretation of the evidence. It’s all based on the very slim cultural and physical eveidence which were solved simultaneously while solving the PT by context? In otrher words not only do Egyptologists noit understand the PT but they can’t imagine a language that can’t be translated into English. They know nothing about words with a single meaning or multiple words for every thing. I can show you the support for my undersatanding orf the word “djed” in the PT and thew artwork but I can’t show you where Chomsky says there used to be sceientific words for every object. Almost every single person onm the planet today believes the anciuents were essentially clueless. The concepts of “scientific” and “caveman” simply don’t go together in the modern estimation of reality. It is my contention that every animal that ever lived on the earth was a scientist until the invention of modern language about 2000 BC. Most humans today are not scientists and even scientists today make numerous misstatements about nature. Everything is perspective and modern language imparts a perspective from which some realities are virtually invisible. We’re very good at calculating sunrise and sunset (even though the sun neither rises nor sets) but we don’t understand why the sun appears or how the math works. We don’t understand how we got to where we are anymore than we understand how gravity allows the earth to stay in orbit. But we thinkwe know everything because we extrapolate and interpolate the little knowledge we do have. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/227 "2015-04-20T15:42:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Can you give a cite showing that “djed” is an actual scientific term for what you say it is, and not yet another unsupported idea of yours that you’ve presented as “fact”? > By a “cite” I mean a verification from someone other than yourself, of course. Starting at the 1 m 27 s mark you can see a djed in operation today; Almost all the references to the djed in the PT use the vulgar or colloquial term. It was the "soles of atum" or "sandals". ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/228 "2015-04-20T15:46:13Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > You do realize that while I steal ideas freely that this theory is solely my own work and that it differes from all other ideas about the culture, the nature of humanity, and the interpretation of the evidence. It’s all based on the very slim cultural and physical eveidence which were solved simultaneously while solving the PT by context? In otrher words not only do Egyptologists noit understand the PT but they can’t imagine a language that can’t be translated into English. They know nothing about words with a single meaning or multiple words for every thing. > > I can show you the support for my undersatanding orf the word “djed” in the PT and thew artwork but I can’t show you where Chomsky says there used to be sceientific words for every object. Almost every single person onm the planet today believes the anciuents were essentially clueless. The concepts of “scientific” and “caveman” simply don’t go together in the modern estimation of reality. It is my contention that every animal that ever lived on the earth was a scientist until the invention of modern language about 2000 BC. Most humans today are not scientists and even scientists today make numerous misstatements about nature. > > Everything is perspective and modern language imparts a perspective from which some realities are virtually invisible. We’re very good at calculating sunrise and sunset (even though the sun neither rises nor sets) but we don’t understand why the sun appears or how the math works. We don’t understand how we got to where we are anymore than we understand how gravity allows the earth to stay in orbit. But we thinkwe know everything because we extrapolate and interpolate the little knowledge we do have. This all boils down to the fact that when you said that “djed” is the scientific term for the device that allowed the water spray to be “stable and enduring”, you were absolutely 100% _wrong_, From now on, it would be _really_ nice if you would say things like “I would like to put forth the notion that…”, or “The reason why I am calling this object such-and-such instead of what everyone calls it is because…”, but if you make a claim that sometime is a scientific term, you damn well better be able to back it up, because scientific terms aren’t something _you_ get to make up just because you feel you are right and the rest of the world is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/229 "2015-04-20T15:49:42Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > Starting at the 1 m 27 s mark you can see a djed in operation today; > > Almost all the references to the djed in the PT use the vulgar or colloquial term. It was the "soles of atum" or "sandals". Not what I asked for. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/230 "2015-04-20T15:59:20Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > The author of the study is simply mistaken and I presented proof in a previous post. This isn’t to say that they couldn’t have used internal ramps, but merely that the scan is being misinterpreted and apparently shows a five step pyramid. There are a few features of the scan which can be interpreted as “ramps” but there are nearly as many going in the opposite direction which cancels them out. > > Look at the scan again. And you are looking again at the top view, and microgravity measurements are not as precise to report what you claim here, but they are good enough to show a general shape and the reality is that the team described it as a spiral, and that is what they reported to Houdin. This already shows that you are mistaken on insisting that it is just a five step pyramid. > **[Proplay88 | Agen Sportsbook Terpercaya di Indonesia](https://www.pyramids-of-egypt.com/unlocking-the-great-pyramid-of-cheops.html)** > > Proplay88 adalah agen sportsbook terbesar dan terpercaya di Indonesia. Daftar sekarang untuk layanan taruhan olahraga yang aman dan berkelas dunia. > [@](#): > > Spiral Ramp Proof > > A French team of scientists surveyed the pyramid of Cheops back in 1980 using a technology called microgravimetrics that lets you know where low gravity areas are, in other words, empty spaces. The French team was hoping to find secret chambers inside the pyramid – although they did not find any, their thermal images show something very interesting, the empty spaces within the great pyramid exactly match Houdin’s calculations of the internal ramp as shown in the picture below (the green color represents the low density areas). KHUFU’S PYRAMID The “Inside-Out” construction theory [http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.3ds.com%2Ffileadmin%2Fkheops%2Frenaissance%2Fpdf%2F34\_clues\_for\_the\_theory.pdf&ei=vR01VeC\_A9b9oQSe6oHQAw&usg=AFQjCNGSE9JlTm6ii5pYHEUDhY0qylq3UA&sig2=xQD3N9f6\_oBaBDas\_yEZ-w&bvm=bv.91071109,d.cGU&cad=rja](http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.3ds.com%2Ffileadmin%2Fkheops%2Frenaissance%2Fpdf%2F34_clues_for_the_theory.pdf&ei=vR01VeC_A9b9oQSe6oHQAw&usg=AFQjCNGSE9JlTm6ii5pYHEUDhY0qylq3UA&sig2=xQD3N9f6_oBaBDas_yEZ-w&bvm=bv.91071109,d.cGU&cad=rja) This PDF file has the microgravity data applied in 3d, the image does not show a stepped pyramid but the shape matches a spiral structure. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/231 "2015-04-20T17:21:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > …/but if you make a claim that sometime is a scientific term, you damn well better be able to back it up, because scientific terms aren’t something _you_ get to make up just because you feel you are right and the rest of the world is wrong. My contention here is that there are two distinct sciences. Modern science assumes very few axioms and postulates and is based on observation \> experiment. Ancient science took reality itself (amun) as being axiomatic and was based on observation \> logic. The specific logic which was used to explore nature was the natural logic of their metaphysical language. This is the same natural logic that underlies mathematics. The language worked by including new knowledge into the grammar where meaning was expressed in context based on the choice of which specific terms were emplotyed; scientific, colloquial, or vulgar. If I say “Djed is the scientific term for the device that aimed the water” every reader should be well aware that this is based on my theory which is not directly based on the work of any previous researcher. It is my contention that modern language is a mess in terms of communication so even if greats of the past were correct, I’d not be able to understand them. It’s not “I think therefore I am”, it’s really “I am therefore I think”. You can’t think without language and advancements couldn’t be passed down across genberations without language. Language preceeds thought but modern language requires we unlearn natural language before we acquire it. I believe my usage of definitive statements is clear enough for most readers. Of course everything hinges on my being correct. If they didn’t use water to build the pyramids then I’m simply wrong about the nature of the djed. I will not argue semnantics. I will explain statements that aren’t understood and will defend all statements. I can “show my work” for how I learned about the djed but this one is more complex so I’d prefer to do easier ones. People balk at even the simplest concepts in the ancient language like “osiris tows the earth by means of balance”. Colloquial terms are all more complex than the nice simple scientific terms. “Osiris” is the geyser water that lifts the stones. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/232 "2015-04-20T17:30:39Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > … and the reality is that the team described it as a spiral, and that is what they reported to Houdin. Repeating an error changes nothing. Egyptologists have said “they mustta used ramps” so many times and so many ways they can’t be counted. Yet ramps are debunked now. Rather than repeat that the definitions of pyramid and spiral ramps precludes any possibility whatsoever that parallel lines can depict ramps, let me just ask why the ramp marked by the parallel line doesn’t come up out of the pyramid as the side of the pyramid slopes in freom the ramp. It simply can’t depict ramps. It is impossible that most of the lines can be associated with spiral ramps. I don’t use words like “impossible” lightly. They simply do not depict ramps. I believe all these parallel lines suggest a five step pyramid with each step almost exactly 81’ 3" in height. These step tops would show lines parallel to the base because the edges of the step tops are parallel to the base. These steps show stones were pulled straight up the side one step at a time. It couldn’t be much simpler. Yes, it’s true that proof is still needed but ramps are debunked and you’re still looking at a five step pyramid in all probability. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/233 "2015-04-20T17:37:15Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > My contention here is that there are two distinct sciences. > > Modern science assumes very few axioms and postulates and is based on observation \> experiment. > > Ancient science took reality itself (amun) as being axiomatic and was based on observation \> logic. The specific logic which was used to explore nature was the natural logic of their metaphysical language. This is the same natural logic that underlies mathematics. > > The language worked by including new knowledge into the grammar where meaning was expressed in context based on the choice of which specific terms were emplotyed; scientific, colloquial, or vulgar. > > If I say “Djed is the scientific term for the device that aimed the water” every reader should be well aware that this is based on my theory which is not directly based on the work of any previous researcher. It is my contention that modern language is a mess in terms of communication so even if greats of the past were correct, I’d not be able to understand them. It’s not “I think therefore I am”, it’s really “I am therefore I think”. You can’t think without language and advancements couldn’t be passed down across genberations without language. Language preceeds thought but modern language requires we unlearn natural language before we acquire it. > > I believe my usage of definitive statements is clear enough for most readers. Of course everything hinges on my being correct. If they didn’t use water to build the pyramids then I’m simply wrong about the nature of the djed. > > I will not argue semnantics. I will explain statements that aren’t understood and will defend all statements. I can “show my work” for how I learned about the djed but this one is more complex so I’d prefer to do easier ones. People balk at even the simplest concepts in the ancient language like “osiris tows the earth by means of balance”. Colloquial terms are all more complex than the nice simple scientific terms. “Osiris” is the geyser water that lifts the stones. 1. We are not students in your class, and are under absolutely no obligation to substitute your personal definitions and understandings for more commonly held ones that have stood the test of time. 2. Your belief that your statements are clear enough to most readers is as rooted in fantasy as your ideas(I refuse to say “theories”, as that has an actual scientific meaning that you miss by a country mile). ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/234 "2015-04-20T17:46:04Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > Yes, it’s true that proof is still needed but ramps are debunked and you’re still looking at a five step pyramid in all probability. “You refuse to believe” does _not_ equal “are debunked”, no matter how many times you say it. It has not been debunked, because you have not convinced the archaeological at large that it has been debunked. You haven’t even convinced a respectable _minority_, so at best you are _trying_ to debunk it…but are failing miserably. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/235 "2015-04-20T17:57:53Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > Repeating an error changes nothing. Egyptologists have said “they mustta used ramps” so many times and so many ways they can’t be counted. Yet ramps are debunked now. Two errors in a row from you. The fact is that you claimed that the evidence showed a stepped Pyramid, but the last image you linked at came from a site that reports on data collected in the [19th century from Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie](http://www.ronaldbirdsall.com/gizeh/petrie/). That was not looking at the latest microgravity data. (And you did you say the current researchers are the ones stuck in the 19th century? Please! :rolleyes: ) And once again you are mistaken on the debunked part, as the BBC and many others report most agree that ramps are part of the solution. Taking this and your unconvincing efforts with the ancient Egyptian language we can safely disregard your say so’s. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/236 "2015-04-20T18:14:00Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > You do realize that while I steal ideas freely that this theory is solely my own work and that it differes from all other ideas about the culture, the nature of humanity, and the interpretation of the evidence. In Other Words, you’re just blowing it out of your ass, to use the scientific term for “It’s all my fantasy, and have a toke, Man!” ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/237 "2015-04-20T18:22:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “You refuse to believe” does _not_ equal “are debunked”, no matter how many times you say it. It has not been debunked, because you have not convinced the archaeological at large that it has been debunked. You haven’t even convinced a respectable _minority_, so at best you are _trying_ to debunk it…but are failing miserably. Every point in post #152 is factual and no one has even tried to dispute them. These facts from post #152 add up to a debunkment of ramps. I’ll put this very simply, Egyptologists say that the only method of building that is consistent with the cultural context is ramps but the word “ramp” isn’t even attested from the great pyramid building age. How could anything more illogical? They have no evidence at all and have been telling everyone it was ramps for 150 years. Every authoritative source says they used ramps and as justification they say that “they mustta used ramps”. There were no ramps and they are debunked (see post # 152). I’ve already proven beyond question that they didn’t have to use ramps and a far easier and far more primitive means of building is widely and conclusively evidenced. This more primitive means is also far more efficient. Why would they build complex and labor intensive ramps when the side of the pyramid is already a ramp? People in the future will marvel at our insistence on clinging to past beliefs while refusing to do even the most basic science! If the experts fail to prove this before it is proven from outside the field, “Egyptologist” will become the punchline of a million jokes. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/238 "2015-04-20T18:29:53Z")
[QUOTE=cladking] How could anything more illogical? They have no evidence at all and have been telling everyone it was ramps for 150 years. Every authoritative source says they used ramps and as justification they say that “they mustta used ramps”. There were no ramps and they are debunked (see post # 152). [/QUOTE] Repeating this assertion is not going to make it more true. Ramps have not been debunked except in your own mind. Archeological evidence of ramps exists during the same time period…you admitted yourself that they used the things. Unfinished pyramids as well as other structures of the time have evidence of ramps. There is evidence of internal ramp use on the Giza pyramids (at least the Great Pyramid). So, since that has all been addressed, and since you refuse to engage any of that except to keep re-stating your assertion, let’s move on. Do you have evidence (a cite perhaps) that there was no Egyptian word for ‘ramp’ during the Old Kingdom time period? Because I think that’s your most incredible assertion yet (and this is saying something at this point, since you’ve had some whoppers). ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/239 "2015-04-20T18:32:16Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > What you are looking at is the top view, in essence it would be like a gamer telling us that a similar structure could not have another dimension, and then finding the nasty surprise that the enemy is tossing grenades from above. 🙂 > > In the following documentary the diagram is expanded to show that indeed what the gravimetric scan showed has another dimension, it was called a spiral structure, and that is not a parallel or single level structure. > > [http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/the-pyramids/](http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/the-pyramids/) > (bonus: they also debunk the poppycock alien theory) On a completely unrelated topic, I really enjoyed this video, Gigo! I love this sort of debunking video since it gives me future ammunition when talking to the woo crowd, so thanks for linking to it! That said, I REALLY love the hair on the Ancient Aliens guy…it just shouts crazy (the mad eyes help too). ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/240 "2015-04-20T18:35:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. We are not students in your class, and are under absolutely no obligation to substitute your personal definitions and understandings for more commonly held ones that have stood the test of time. > 2. Your belief that your statements are clear enough to most readers is as rooted in fantasy as your ideas(I refuse to say “theories”, as that has an actual scientific meaning that you miss by a country mile). No statemnent can be rooted in reality because reality is not axiomatic for either language nor science. You can say “one plus one equals two” but this statement is false in the real world because there are no things that are identical. Of course my hypothesis isn’t a theory by our definitions. While “theory” is often used colloquially this isn’t what I mean when I refer to my hypothesis as a theory. What I mean is that by the ancient definitions any hypothesis that is supported by the evidence (observation) and can make predictions is autom,atically a theory. My “hypothesis” fullfills the definitional qualities of the ancient meaning of “theory”. Meanwhile there is no world where “ramps” is even a good guess for how the stones were lifted. It is not even a valid hypthesis but merely a distortion of the scant evidence that survives. I do take some liberties with the language but most all of them are things that I believe might aid in communication. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559.md?page=13)