# How were the pyramids in Egypt built? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 7, 2014, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559 "2014-12-07T10:40:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/621 "2015-04-25T20:00:25Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > They actually literally said that the inundation was on high ground and was called “osiris” who came at the same time as the flood (during the w3g-festival); > > 1944a. + 2 (Nt. 777). The time of inundation comes, the wȝg-festival comes, to the uplands, it comes as Osiris. Does “uplands” translate necessarily to “high ground”? It seems like that could refer as well to horizontal reference as well as vertical. To, “it comes as Osiris” doesn’t make me think that it was _called_ Osiris. It’d be like saying “help comes in the form of a helicopter” means that help is the name of the helicopter. It was during this w3g-festival that the mks-sceptre was unpacked so the men would know to report to work; > [@](#): > > “Fire-pan” is simply the colloquial term for the mks-sceptre. Given the context of the quote, I would interpret it as a term for the heated plains of the land. > [@cladking](#): > > In Egypt the flood begins in the middle of peak growing season. Of course there are no crops in the ground during the middle of peak growing season because they would flood. Isn’t that a good thing for some crops? Rice paddies come to mind. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/622 "2015-04-25T20:01:14Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > [sigh] > > In Egypt the flood begins in the middle of peak growing season. Of course there are no crops in the ground during the middle of peak growing season because they would flood. > > But it’s still peak growing season and not being able to plant is still a bad thing and not a good thing. Still not what was asked, you told us you will produce a cite when requested, you are not demonstrating where is that Egyptologists told us that the pyramids were constructed during the growing season, I have to take then that no, egyptologists do not say such a thing. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/623 "2015-04-25T20:03:42Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > I don’t know why the link failed. That is called a Google Vomit, just a tactic used in an attempt to make others do the work that you should had done. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/624 "2015-04-25T20:04:06Z")
> [@simster](#): > > dude - his post IS his cite - he’s got nothing else, as that would require actual work on his part. While ALL the physical, cultural, and historical evidence favors the concept of geysers much of my argument is the logic that ties this evidence together. It has to be because peoples’ beliefs and expectations are refuted by the evidence. I not only have to show I’m right and Egyptology is wrong which is double the work I should have to do but then I have to show how it’s possible for me to be right. Many of the last few dozen posts are just the logic involved. How do you find a source to support logic? People either see it or they can’t. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/625 "2015-04-25T20:11:54Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That is called a Google Vomit, just a tactic used in an attempt to make others do the work that you should had done. Ha ha. If I link the site again the same thing will happen. Computers are funny that way. Why not try one of those hits and if it doesn’t work I’ll try a different one? Actually your link to one should suffice so let’s just consider this point established. Egyptologuists are correct when they say that pyramid building occurred in the peak growing season with no crop in the ground. Can you get a taste of what I’ve been through trying to establish every little point? even when it’s common knowledge? People see the ancients as stinky footed bumpkins but call them sophisticated and intelligent. When I look ayt this from another perspective people think I’m reinventing the wheel. And this is all before we even get to the hard part. Wait till you see the hard part! The world simply isn’t what you think it is no matter what you think. It was hard for me to adapt to it and I was almost an ancient Egyptian before I started. I was almost the world’s last caveman. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/626 "2015-04-25T20:16:36Z")
Sorry, what is the physical evidence that supports geysers again? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/627 "2015-04-25T20:17:48Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > While ALL the physical, cultural, and historical evidence favors the concept of geysers much of my argument is the logic that ties this evidence together. It has to be because peoples’ beliefs and expectations are refuted by the evidence. I not only have to show I’m right and Egyptology is wrong which is double the work I should have to do but then I have to show how it’s possible for me to be right. > > Many of the last few dozen posts are just the logic involved. > > How do you find a source to support logic? People either see it or they can’t. No, even what you posted here has no logic, all the reported and most energetic and regular cold CO2 Geysers are reported to exist in mountainous regions, (and noticeably not in Egypt) and most of them were drilled by humans, not a natural thing. [http://alanglennon.com/ColdWaterGeysersGlennonPfaff.pdf](http://alanglennon.com/ColdWaterGeysersGlennonPfaff.pdf) With that realization one has to then conclude that modern drilling equipment was used by the ancient Egyptians or the ancient aliens to dig deep enough to get the stronger water pressures that is needed for what you proposed. There is no evidence for that. And lets not forget that the gods were ancient aliens according to Tomb and Hancock, so don’t think for a moment that you are not suspected to still push for that idea too. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/628 "2015-04-25T20:20:37Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > Ha ha. If I link the site again the same thing will happen. > > Computers are funny that way. Why not try one of those hits and if it doesn’t work I’ll try a different one? I can do a better translation of that gibberish: you can not find a good quote from an egyptologist, you only demonstrate failure after failure to be convincing. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/629 "2015-04-25T21:00:43Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Well, why else do you think the Sahara is a desert these days ? It musta been all jungle back then, obviously. > > (facetious post, in case this isn’t clear) [It’s actually considered a fact.](http://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html) Ain’t that a kick in the pants? [here’s how they moved the stones](http://the-arc.wikispaces.com/Rolling+Stones). (there are thousands of pieces of wood found in the workshops that match the drawings there) ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/630 "2015-04-25T21:05:00Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Still not what was asked, you told us you will produce a cite when requested, you are not demonstrating where is that Egyptologists told us that the pyramids were constructed during the growing season, I have to take then that no, egyptologists do not say such a thing. I don’t think he’s even saying that. He says that they built it during flood time. I believe he’s correct on that part. He also says that flood time is peak growing time. This is the confusing part. What I \*think \*he means is that the months of flood in Egypt coincide with peak growing time in other lands. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/631 "2015-04-25T21:14:43Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > I don’t think he’s even saying that. He says that they built it during flood time. I believe he’s correct on that part. Then the Egyptologists and historians **are correct too** , but that is not what he is claiming that the egyptologists are doing. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/632 "2015-04-25T21:42:45Z")
The thing for me is, there’s no reason to assume geologists or whoever the fuck studies geysers would be in collusion with Egyptologists, so why has not a single one said anything at all in the entire English internet about them? If you look up " geysers Egypt" you get cladking’s other forum forays, the sun king stuff that his buddy stole from him and completely unrelated stuff. It’s pretty obvious that there is no discovered evidence that points to geysers. So what the hell, cladking? There’s a bunch of ways to get water into those counterweight sleds. Why are you so wedded to a geyser fantasy? Eta: oh yeah. Your gut translations that the eye of horus is a water tower aperture. Come on man! ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/633 "2015-04-25T21:48:34Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Sorry, what is the physical evidence that supports geysers again? 100,000 ton water collection devices, water worn canals, cliff face counterweights, carbonated aquifers, historical accounts, and what the builders said that was carved in stone. The most interesting of the words carved in stone were the titles of the builders which were old favorites like “Overseer of Canals”, “Overseer of the Side of the Pyramid”, “Anubis Priest”, “Overseer of the Boats of Neith”, “Weigher/ Reckoner”, Chief of Sculptors", Overseer of a Boat", “Captain of a boat” (who hauled casing stones from across the river), Overseer of the Metal Shop", Chief Mason", “Chief of Carpenters”, and the various jobs that don’t survive but are mentioned in the PT like “ferryman”, “blessed dead”, and “mud trampler”. There’s also the pictures of building pyramids with geysers carved into stone and painted on walls. And there’s the ample infrastructure in the area that’s consistent with the way they actually built it by pulling stones straight up the side one step at a time. Everything fits together like a hand in a glove. What there isn’t is any evidence for tombs, ramps, bumpkins, or an ossified people. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/634 "2015-04-25T21:52:07Z")
None of that is physical evidence of geysers. Not a single one of those examples. You can imagine uses for them if there WERE geysers but they are categorically not physical evidence of geysers. There’s evidence for ramps and tombs because we’ve found ramps and tombs. You see the difference? ? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/635 "2015-04-25T21:57:06Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > There’s also the pictures of building pyramids with geysers carved into stone and painted on walls. For the love of Isis, would it kill you to show us one? All you do is talk when one lousy picture like that would buy you some credibility. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/636 "2015-04-25T21:59:25Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > For the love of Isis, would it kill you to show us one? All you do is talk when one lousy picture like that would buy you some credibility. Yeah! Post a link or name a book, cladking. You saw them. Tell us where! ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/637 "2015-04-25T22:15:15Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > With that realization one has to then conclude that modern drilling equipment was used by the ancient Egyptians or the ancient aliens to dig deep enough to get the stronger water pressures that is needed for what you proposed. It’s not water pressure per se that drives a CO2 geyser. Yes that which is below is like that which is above (water pressures are equal) but all that’s needed is heavily carbonated water and this creates its own pressure. Some things are easier to think of in the ancient science. When the carbonated water becomes supersaturated as the water approaches the atmosphere the pressure that forced it into solution is effectively released. The CO2 expands and forces the solution through openings. The Egyptians sought to block all the openings and prevent backflow which would dilute the water. Their knowledge of thesewas much more extensive than our knowledge but, of course, our understaning of the physics is much better and is quantifiable. This is a very unusual perspective even for the Egyptians; 930a. N. hath found the spirits well-equipped by reason of their mouth, 930b. sitting on the two shores of the śḥśḥ-lake, 930c. the drinking-bowl of each spirit well-equipped by reason of his mouth. 930d. “Hast thou no eyes?”, so said they to N., 930e. the spirits well-equipped by reason of their mouth. 930f. Said he, “a spirit well-equipped by reason of his mouth.” 931a. “How has this happened to thee?”, so said they to N., 931b. the spirits well-equipped by reason of their mouth, … 937e. N. takes water with you out of the mn-canal (or, lake of the nurse) of N., 937f. the drinking-bowl of each spirit well-equipped by reason of his mouth. The “spirits” of the water (I3.t-wt.t) (CO2) are very one dimensional and express themselves only through their mouths by which they are powerful. No other natural phenomenon known to the ancients were like this. They called the process “nntknw” where the closest approximation today is “degassification” which was a son of “nehebkau”; the hydraulic cycle. Maybe I’m wrong and this is all just incantation like Egyptologists believe. But if it’s incantation and we don’t understand it then there is no cultural context. They didn’t have modern drills. They had ancient drills which were 6" pipes they used to make circular cuts. The core was probably removed by drilling a smaller hole in it and inserting a wooden plug with a rope attached. When the wood swelled up the core was broken free and the plug lifted. This would have been repeated to about 80’ where the water source existed. There may have been other ways to do it that I’ve not thought of. They did obviously do some plumbing under the earth as well. 459a. Men bury themselves (in their grave (?); the gods fly up. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/638 "2015-04-25T22:21:35Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > They did obviously do some plumbing under the earth as well. > > 459a. Men bury themselves (in their grave (?); the gods fly up. The way we think it’s easy to forget that the Osiris Shaft is a massive excavation with flowing carbonated water at the bottom. There is also a mud filled cave here which was probably not mud filled when the excavation was made. It was things like this that made Chris Jordan propose artificial geysers rather than natural ones. I didn’t agree with his opinions but his insights were brilliant and he wrote the first book proposing geysers a couple years ago. It’s easier to see these patterns if you keep it all in mind. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/639 "2015-04-25T22:24:12Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I can do a better translation of that gibberish: you can not find a good quote from an egyptologist, you only demonstrate failure after failure to be convincing. Being convincing is irrelevant. How they built the pyramids is what counts. Perhaps if I were smarter oir a better author this would be over by now. I couldn’t give a cup of coffee to an eskimo on fire even if I threw in a bucket of water for free. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/640 "2015-04-25T22:28:50Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Then the Egyptologists and historians **are correct too** , but that is not what he is claiming that the egyptologists are doing. YES! Egyptologists are correct that it was built during the flood. But they are suggesting having the flood during peak growing season was such a boon that they could afford to drag tombs up ramps. Everything is perspective and we’vcvew been told “they mustta used ramps” in so many ways that it’s part of us. Worse is that the ancients have been considered bumpkins for centuries now. Our thinking is founded on the concept that once people were stupid and superstitious but we’re all better now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559.md?page=33)