# How were the pyramids in Egypt built? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 7, 2014, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559 "2014-12-07T10:40:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/641 "2015-04-25T22:30:16Z")
Ancient Egyptian picture of geysers building pyramids please. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/642 "2015-04-25T22:33:40Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > The thing for me is, there’s no reason to assume geologists or whoever the fuck studies geysers would be in collusion with Egyptologists, so why has not a single one said anything at all in the entire English internet about them? If you look up " geysers Egypt" you get cladking’s other forum forays, the sun king stuff that his buddy stole from him and completely unrelated stuff. It’s pretty obvious that there is no discovered evidence that points to geysers. So what the hell, cladking? There’s a bunch of ways to get water into those counterweight sleds. Why are you so wedded to a geyser fantasy? > > Eta: oh yeah. Your gut translations that the eye of horus is a water tower aperture. Come on man! I could speak at lenght about this but this could all lead in the wrong direction. Suffice to say that the evidence for geysers is mostly underneath the great pyramids so can’t be seen. What isn’t under the pyramids is misinterpreted as being too ancient to apply. Much of the tertiary physical evidence that might be visible isn’t because the sites were all scavenged for stone for many centuries. The entire winding watercourse is within the pyramids and could be seen in part with infrared technology. I’m sure this subject will resurface after testing results start roilling in. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/643 "2015-04-25T22:41:48Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > I could speak at lenght about this but this could all lead in the wrong direction. > > Suffice to say that the evidence for geysers is mostly underneath the great pyramids so can’t be seen. What isn’t under the pyramids is misinterpreted as being too ancient to apply. Much of the tertiary physical evidence that might be visible isn’t because the sites were all scavenged for stone for many centuries. The entire winding watercourse is within the pyramids and could be seen in part with infrared technology… So in other words, you ASSUME there’s physical evidence that will eventually be discovered. There is currently no actual physical evidence. You should keep that in mind in future arguments. You can’t just say “all physical evidence proves geysers” when you know for a fact there is no discovered physical evidence. Now, about those pictures… ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/644 "2015-04-25T23:19:55Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > YES! Egyptologists are correct that it was built during the flood. > > But they are suggesting having the flood during peak growing season was such a boon that they could afford to drag tombs up ramps. Nope, try again, and we are still waiting for any egyptologist that claims that (and this is according to you). As pointed before historians report that there was no growing season as the fields were flooded. When they were “draggin tombs up ramps”. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/645 "2015-04-25T23:22:51Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > It’s not water pressure per se that drives a CO2 geyser. Yes that which is below is like that which is above (water pressures are equal) but all that’s needed is heavily carbonated water and this creates its own pressure. > > Some things are easier to think of in the ancient science. > > When the carbonated water becomes supersaturated as the water approaches the atmosphere the pressure that forced it into solution is effectively released. The CO2 expands and forces the solution through openings. The Egyptians sought to block all the openings and prevent backflow which would dilute the water. Their knowledge of thesewas much more extensive than our knowledge but, of course, our understaning of the physics is much better and is quantifiable. > > This is a very unusual perspective even for the Egyptians; > > 930a. N. hath found the spirits well-equipped by reason of their mouth, > 930b. sitting on the two shores of the śḥśḥ-lake, > 930c. the drinking-bowl of each spirit well-equipped by reason of his mouth. > 930d. “Hast thou no eyes?”, so said they to N., > 930e. the spirits well-equipped by reason of their mouth. > 930f. Said he, “a spirit well-equipped by reason of his mouth.” > 931a. “How has this happened to thee?”, so said they to N., > 931b. the spirits well-equipped by reason of their mouth, > … > 937e. N. takes water with you out of the mn-canal (or, lake of the nurse) of N., > 937f. the drinking-bowl of each spirit well-equipped by reason of his mouth. > > The “spirits” of the water (I3.t-wt.t) (CO2) are very one dimensional and express themselves only through their mouths by which they are powerful. No other natural phenomenon known to the ancients were like this. They called the process “nntknw” where the closest approximation today is “degassification” which was a son of “nehebkau”; the hydraulic cycle. > > Maybe I’m wrong and this is all just incantation like Egyptologists believe. But if it’s incantation and we don’t understand it then there is no cultural context. > > They didn’t have modern drills. They had ancient drills which were 6" pipes they used to make circular cuts. The core was probably removed by drilling a smaller hole in it and inserting a wooden plug with a rope attached. When the wood swelled up the core was broken free and the plug lifted. This would have been repeated to about 80’ where the water source existed. There may have been other ways to do it that I’ve not thought of. They did obviously do some plumbing under the earth as well. > > 459a. Men bury themselves (in their grave (?); the gods fly up. No evidence whatsoever for this has been presented by you. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/646 "2015-04-25T23:28:04Z")
Carbonated water in Egypt, not far from Cairo. Isn’t that where they bottle Perrier? Please name a source for your copious carbonated water claim, **cladking.** ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/647 "2015-04-25T23:28:12Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > I could speak at lenght about this but this could all lead in the wrong direction. > > Suffice to say that the evidence for geysers is mostly underneath the great pyramids so can’t be seen. What isn’t under the pyramids is misinterpreted as being too ancient to apply. Much of the tertiary physical evidence that might be visible isn’t because the sites were all scavenged for stone for many centuries. The entire winding watercourse is within the pyramids and could be seen in part with infrared technology. > > I’m sure this subject will resurface after testing results start roilling in. Not good enough, the fact is that if you were correct then other geysers would had been reported elsewhere around, it is not logical to not use such technology for other tasks if only to get water wells made elsewhere; and that is if the geysers were drilled. If the geysers were natural then it is very unlikely that they would be found only under the pyramids. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/648 "2015-04-25T23:44:40Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Carbonated water in Egypt, not far from Cairo. Isn’t that where they bottle Perrier? I hope not! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/649 "2015-04-26T00:53:35Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > No evidence whatsoever for this has been presented by you. 459a. Men bury themselves (in their grave (?); the gods fly up. Remember the Osiris Shaft with flowing carbonated water and the ben ben in the Sphinx Temple spurting water up? The Osiris Shaft is MAN MADE and has water at the bottom and a cave. Maybe this is coincidence and maybe they dug down at a water source. Maybe it’s not a coincidence that it is directly beneath the G2 causeway which I claim was used to transport water to the water works that Egyptology calls a “valley temple”. The evidence is everywhere and people choose to interpret it as something else. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/650 "2015-04-26T01:17:33Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > None of that is physical evidence of geysers. Not a single one of those examples. You can imagine uses for them if there WERE geysers but they are categorically not physical evidence of geysers. > > There’s evidence for ramps and tombs because we’ve found ramps and tombs. You see the difference? ? No. Ramps are debunked (see post #152) and there is no direct evidence of any type that any great pyramid was ever intended tobe a tomb. The fact is there are canals and evidence for water at the great pyramid sites. The fact is all of these sites are on hills and it’s impossible for water to flow uphill. This strongly suggests that the pyramids were water sources exactly as they appear. Physics is very unkind to water on hills. There are a very limited number of ways for water to be on them. Since the source would have to be stable about the only plausible method consistent with nature is CO2 geysers. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/651 "2015-04-26T01:31:34Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > No. Ramps are debunked (see post #152) and there is no direct evidence of any type that any great pyramid was ever intended tobe a tomb. Again, no good evidence for this, research is still ongoing and they had been found around many other pyramids. Anyone can debunk anything to themselves, but to do science many others have to accept what you claim. > [@cladking](#): > > The fact is there are canals and evidence for water at the great pyramid sites. The fact is all of these sites are on hills and it’s impossible for water to flow uphill. This strongly suggests that the pyramids were water sources exactly as they appear. > > Physics is very unkind to water on hills. There are a very limited number of ways for water to be on them. Since the source would have to be stable about the only plausible method consistent with nature is CO2 geysers. Wrong again, the only way to get water that high (as you theorize) is to mechanically drill very deep in rocks so that water will do that and you need specific rocks to react to the water that should already be there, otherwise you also need then water to be pumped constantly into the drilled shaft. As pointed before you are only adding more complexities, and really more of a waste of resources. There is no evidence shown that demonstrates such technology or rock chemistry. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/652 "2015-04-26T01:35:46Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Ancient Egyptian picture of geysers building pyramids please. [![](https://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/images/osirisdjedcrossmerti.gif) ](https://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/images/osirisdjedcrossmerti.gif) In the center at the bottom is the djed which kept the water stable and enduring. Above it is the ankh which means “life” and in a desert water is life; it is the geyser standing in the djed which supports the pyramid as the ka (life’s work) of the king and the rainbow (great circle that sets) above. On either side are the harmonious goddesses that make it work; isis who is “stone seat” and lifts the stones in the “house basket” (nephtyhs). This is a scientiofic perspective of pyramid building. There are very few colloquial renditions and no vulgar ones to my limited knowledge. Most drawings of pyramid building are specific aspects from the scientific perspective. [![](https://www.voyagevirtuel.co.uk/egypt/photos/abou-simbel-n6.jpg) ](https://www.voyagevirtuel.co.uk/egypt/photos/abou-simbel-n6.jpg) in the center here is min which was the hydraulic leveling device invented in about the 25th year of construction of the first great pyramid. They had trouble with rope wear and difficulty loading the dndndr-boat that lifted the stones. This device operated by depressing two heavy floats (represented by two plumes) into a water filled hole. As weight was added to the system the floats were depressed further into the water allowing all the loading to be done quickly for a single loiading platform. This device pushed virulently up on the boat taking stresses off the rope when the counterweight was released. I never thought of this before now and its something to research but he might be the father of nepthys’ son. He certainly has motive and opportunity and it’s not clear from any source who the father is. By the by that’s a pyramid he’s pushing up with his hand. It’s always drawn differently than a flail. He also stand on a pedestal because there’s a shallow dam (still) around the min to prevent backflow during operation. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/653 "2015-04-26T01:53:19Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > By the by that’s a pyramid he’s pushing up with his hand. It’s always drawn differently than a flail. He also stand on a pedestal because there’s a shallow dam (still) around the min to prevent backflow during operation. You cannot _possibly_ be referring to your first link with this statement, can you? That round object “he” is “pushing” up is supposed to be a _pyramid_, and you think “he” is standing on a pedestal because “he” is standing in a shallow dam? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/654 "2015-04-26T01:53:33Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > [http://www.voyagevirtuel.co.uk/egypt/photos/abou-simbel-n6.jpg](http://www.voyagevirtuel.co.uk/egypt/photos/abou-simbel-n6.jpg) > > in the center here is min which was the hydraulic leveling device invented in about the 25th year of construction of the first great pyramid. They had trouble with rope wear and difficulty loading the dndndr-boat that lifted the stones. This device operated by depressing two heavy floats (represented by two plumes) into a water filled hole. As weight was added to the system the floats were depressed further into the water allowing all the loading to be done quickly for a single loiading platform. This device pushed virulently up on the boat taking stresses off the rope when the counterweight was released. I never thought of this before now and its something to research but he might be the father of nepthys’ son. He certainly has motive and opportunity and it’s not clear from any source who the father is. > > By the by that’s a pyramid he’s pushing up with his hand. It’s always drawn differently than a flail. He also stand on a pedestal because there’s a shallow dam (still) around the min to prevent backflow during operation. Why are you so afraid of offering the context where the images are coming from? I have to say that the interpretation you are getting here is really silly. Von Daniken at least pointed at things that looked as a little bit as he described them. But at least is less boring than the actual caption: Offering lettuce by King Amon, Min and Kamoutef, anteroom of the Great Temple, Abu Simbel - Egypt > **[Offering lettuce by King Amon, Min and Kamoutef, anteroom of the Great...](https://www.voyagevirtuel.co.uk/egypt/photo/abou-simbel-n6.php)** > > Pictures of Offering lettuce by King Amon, Min and Kamoutef, anteroom of the Great Temple, Abu Simbel, Egypt. Date of shooting: 27/12/2011 - Size: 680 x 459 - GPS:22.33685874939, 31.625217437744 - Voyagevirtuel (caption appears when one clicks on the image to get the bigger one) And no, I’m not doing a … pump joke… ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/655 "2015-04-26T02:11:27Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > . . . If the geysers were natural then it is very unlikely that they would be found only under the pyramids. You might turn this around, and say, “They built the pyramids in the place where they found highly energetic jets of water naturally occurring.” i.e., if a tribe lived in a place where there were hugely energetic jets of water coming out of a cliff wall, they might eventually figure out how to build water-wheels there, to capture that energy. However…there’s zero evidence for energetic jets of water naturally occurring on the Giza plateau, so the idea fails anyway. If I had a piece of paper, I could put a message in a bottle. If I had a bottle and a pencil. And if I could write. And if this was the ocean and not the desert. Oh, well, it was a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/656 "2015-04-26T02:22:40Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > For the love of Isis, would it kill you to show us one? All you do is talk when one lousy picture like that would buy you some credibility. The concept became "confused"in later times but there are pictures of boats perched on columns of water. There’s also the somewhat confiused drawing of the bull of heaven as a single boat; [![](http://carrington-arts.com/skr3.JPG) ](http://carrington-arts.com/skr3.JPG) This shows the boats on skids and the ribbing on the outside to hold water in. A stone sits in the boat as horus the younger while the falcon overseeing it is horus the elder. The “fan” at the front are the courses of the pyramid and the bull’s head represents the counterweight while the oryx the dndndr boat. Swallows are pyramid stones and, as always, the djed and geyser underlie everything. As time goes on the confusion increases and people probably just start believing spraying water is an old wives tale. The ancient writings are not understood. They get some sense from it but confuse the science with religion more and more. Religion slowly evolves into ancient applied science and is eventually rationalized. It was likely religion chiefly responsible for the invention (and later suppression) of modern science. They probably thought experimental science would quickly prove religion and instead it seemed to work against it. Because of technology religion has to embrace and coexist with modern science. Neither realizes the real situation. Science is wrong and religion is half right in a primitive sort of way. But this primitive way reflects the reality of the human animal. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/657 "2015-04-26T02:28:59Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > So in other words, you ASSUME there’s physical evidence that will eventually be discovered. There is currently no actual physical evidence. You should keep that in mind in future arguments. You can’t just say “all physical evidence proves geysers” when you know for a fact there is no discovered physical evidence. Now, about those pictures… I maintain water on top of a hill that just happens to also sport the world’s biggest anomaly of biblical proportions might not be a coincidence. Maybe all the clues are there because nature is trying to tell us something. This is the way science has always worked. Human observation of reality either directly or through experiment. The reality suggests geysers. I didn’t invent this reality, merely rediscovered the ancient reality through observation and logic born of modern science. How ironic this also rediscovered an ancient science whose metaphysics was observation and logic! Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/658 "2015-04-26T02:32:09Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Why are you so afraid of offering the context where the images are coming from? > > I have to say that the interpretation you are getting here is really silly. Von Daniken at least pointed at things that looked as a little bit as he described them. But at least is less boring than the actual caption: Offering lettuce by King Amon, Min and Kamoutef, anteroom of the Great Temple, Abu Simbel - Egypt > > [Offering lettuce by King Amon, Min and Kamoutef, anteroom of the Great Temple, Abu Simbel - Egypt](http://www.voyagevirtuel.co.uk/egypt/photo/abou-simbel-n6.php) > (caption appears when one clicks on the image to get the bigger one) > > And no, I’m not doing a … pump joke… The other is from the papyrus of Ani, the scribe. It’s the adoration of the rebirth of Ra, rising in the east. The actual text is left off, which is erm, an adoration of Ra by the scribe Ani. ---
**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/659 "2015-04-26T02:34:27Z")
I don’t know if that was a pyramid in the second picture but it certainly looks like he managed to erect something. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/660 "2015-04-26T02:34:29Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Carbonated water in Egypt, not far from Cairo. Isn’t that where they bottle Perrier? > > Please name a source for your copious carbonated water claim, **cladking.** This is difficult. Is it really that hard to believe one observer saw things dropped into the water “fizzing”. He thought is was caustic. A video shows people who say the water is effervescent. I’ll look and see if I can find something later. I don’t know that it’s carbonated just as I don’t lknow Temple is lying when he says it is “percolating up from below”. I believe it’s carbonated and Egyptologists refuse to do even the simplest tests. When the boat ppit was opened it was found to have 50% higher CO2 than atmosphere. This could be explained by several means. [http://www.bu.edu/remotesensing/research/completed/egypt-khufu/](http://www.bu.edu/remotesensing/research/completed/egypt-khufu/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559.md?page=34)