# How were the pyramids in Egypt built? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 7, 2014, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559 "2014-12-07T10:40:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1522 "2015-05-11T02:41:23Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > You’re not close enough to reality to be wrong. You’re just different. So you can’t imagine it thus it can’t be real. Since it can’t be real I’m not even wrong. Makes perfect sense to me now but ten years ago I’d have been scratching my head. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1523 "2015-05-11T02:47:03Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > How do you know osiris is CO2 water? How did you come by this interpretation? > [@cladking](#): > > Let me answer trhis more succinctly and as the ancients might; > > 1944a. + 2 (Nt. 777). The time of inundation comes, the wȝg-festival comes, to the uplands, it comes as Osiris. > 1553b. They tremble who see the inundation it tosses; > > (parenthetical editorial omitted in 53b) Where’s the connection between Osiris and CO2? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1524 "2015-05-11T02:57:30Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > I may be fighting a losing battle. Two geologists out of three tell me there’s no such thing as a CO2 geyser. I just don’t know how to fight such ignorance. It is mostly yours, as the articles in wikipedia and others show, the issue is that several think that they are not true geysers as many cold ones do not produce steam and are not coming from geothermal activity. [It is kinda like if you talk to a biologist and he tells you that there is no such thing as a fish](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhwcEvMJz1Y), well we do now that even if that is the case there are still plenty of swimming critters in the sea anyhow) but that there are fountains that are not coming from volcanic activity but from CO2 related reactions is undeniable. And it could happen that some geologists are not aware of them, but there is plenty of published science and reports from locations that demonstrate that they do exist. [http://www.alanglennon.com/crystalgeyser/](http://www.alanglennon.com/crystalgeyser/) [http://dc.uwm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1608&context=etd](http://dc.uwm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1608&context=etd) ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1525 "2015-05-11T03:04:29Z")
[Obligatory XKCD cartoon](https://xkcd.com/386/) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1526 "2015-05-11T03:05:51Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > So you can’t imagine it thus it can’t be real. Since it can’t be real I’m not even wrong. > > Makes perfect sense to me now but ten years ago I’d have been scratching my head. Yeah, but “not even wrong” is not a thing to be proud either. > **[Not even wrong](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong)** > > Not even wrong refers to any statement, argument, or explanation that can be neither correct nor incorrect, because it fails to meet the criteria by which correctness and incorrectness are determined. As a more formal fallacy, it refers to the fine... > [@](#): > > Not even wrong refers to any statement, argument or explanation that can be neither correct nor incorrect, because it fails to meet the criteria by which correctness and incorrectness are determined. As a more formal fallacy, it refers to the fine art of generating an ostensibly “correct” conclusion, but from premises known to be wrong or inapplicable. > > **The phrase implies that not only is someone not making a valid point in a discussion, but they don’t even understand the nature of the discussion itself, or the things that need to be understood in order to participate.** ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1527 "2015-05-11T03:10:58Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Where’s the connection between Osiris and CO2? 1291a. To say: Thy water belongs to thee, thine abundance belongs to thee, thine efflux comes out of Osiris to thee. 788a. To make a libation. To say: Thy water belongs to thee; thine abundance belongs to thee; 788b. the efflux goes forth from the god, the secretion which comes out of Osiris, 22a. This is thy cool water, Osiris; this is thy cool water, O N., which went forth from thy son, which went forth from Horus. 22b. I have come; I have brought to thee the eye of Horus, that thy heart may be refreshed by it. I have brought it to thee. It is under thy soles. 23a. Take to thyself the efflux (sweat), which goes forth from thee; thy heart shall not be weary thereby. 2007a. To say: Thy water belongs to thee, thine abundance belongs to thee, thine efflux belongs to thee, 2007b. which issues from Osiris. This next one’s a little more complex as it involves the degassification at the upper eye; 1800c. that I may fill thee with the ointment that came forth from the eye of Horus. 1801a. Fill thyself with it. 1801b. It will assemble thy bones; it will unite thy limbs; 1801c. it will collect thy flesh; it will let thy evil sweat flow to the ground. Words in the ancient language had a single meaning but everything had three words that applied to it; a scientific term, a colloquial term, and a vulgar term. “I3.t-wt.t” was the scientific term for CO2, “efflux” was the colloquial, and “sweat” was the vulgar. It was the choice of terminology that defined the meaning. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1528 "2015-05-11T03:16:43Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And it could happen that some geologists are not aware of them, but there is plenty of published science and reports from locations that demonstrate that they do exist. Geologists who were aware of their existence answered almost every single question I put to them wrong. I’ve simply gave up and did most of the research on my own. This is across the board. I have dropped the ball on a couple leads perhaps but no answers can be preferable to incorrect ones. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1529 "2015-05-11T03:20:57Z")
Since the context usually refers to natron pellets used for embalming, how big are those pellets again? It is clear that that amount will be grossly insufficient to counteract all the acid coming up. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1530 "2015-05-11T03:22:42Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I’m just monitoring the thread until it is closed, which seems inevitable. Oh yeah. **cladking** has shown he’s impervious to evidence or reason. Mockery is all that’s left. I’m waffling on whether it’s worthwhile to open a Pit thread on the King. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1531 "2015-05-11T03:23:36Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > Geologists who were aware of their existence answered almost every single question I put to them wrong. That is nice, I concentrate on published science so I think what you are reporting here is irrelevant. > [@cladking](#): > > I’ve simply gave up and did most of the research on my own. This is across the board. I have dropped the ball on a couple leads perhaps but no answers can be preferable to incorrect ones. Well, there you go, it is not my problem that you also missed google scholar and other sources of published science to get more accurate information. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1532 "2015-05-11T03:24:56Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > Geologists who were aware of their existence answered almost every single question I put to them wrong. > > I’ve simply gave up and did most of the research on my own. This is across the board. I have dropped the ball on a couple leads perhaps but no answers can be preferable to incorrect ones. Dude, I’d say you just jumped the shark but you’d need a ramp for that. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1533 "2015-05-11T03:32:07Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > Geologists who were aware of their existence answered almost every single question I put to them wrong. yeah - dude - its ‘them’ - they get it wrong… do you have a background in geology or is this just more of your “thunderstruck” viceral metaphysical knowledge you be spewin? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1534 "2015-05-11T03:33:12Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Dude, I’d say you just jumped the shark but you’d need a ramp for that. couldn’t he use a funicular instead? or maybe he was elevated by osiris ? ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1535 "2015-05-11T03:43:19Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > [http://dc.uwm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1608&context=etd](http://dc.uwm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1608&context=etd) Very interesting link. Thanks. Everything you need to know about the care and feeding of geysers appears in the PT. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1536 "2015-05-11T03:45:49Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > Very interesting link. Thanks. > > Everything you need to know about the care and feeding of geysers appears in the PT. Including the quantity of pellets used per load, **a totally inadequate amount** as an anti acid for a huge stream of water, but good enough for embalming a person. Remember, you are not even wrong. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1537 "2015-05-11T03:47:46Z")
> [@simster](#): > > yeah - dude - its ‘them’ - they get it wrong… > > do you have a background in geology or is this just more of your “thunderstruck” viceral metaphysical knowledge you be spewin? Neither. I found the answers later from other sources. One geologist told me there was no hydrogen sulfide or sulfur dioxide smell at Crystal Geyser for instance. Everything was just wrong and this is normal. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1538 "2015-05-11T04:02:11Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > Neither. > > I found the answers later from other sources. One geologist told me there was no hydrogen sulfide or sulfur dioxide smell at Crystal Geyser for instance. > > Everything was just wrong and this is normal. This also tell us that it is not really good to expect a big show every time, If you are still missing it, the way I’m approaching this idea recently is to assume that the whole thing works as your theory goes, and point at the flaws regarding the amount of water coming up and the amount of natron needed. I have not left the hypothetical yet, and yet one can find many other problems with this idea of using cold geysers, but I did it before and it can come up again, as in: In real life those things are not constant or able to sent water up high all the time. Old Faithful they are not. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1539 "2015-05-11T06:04:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So these huge slabs slid on paper 260 feet at a time when struck by…what, exactly? Either _Wingardium Leviosa_ or Explosive Runes. > [@](#): > > And did they slide _up and out of the quarry_ in the manner? Yup. On Bow-shaped snowboards. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1540 "2015-05-11T07:51:53Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I’m just monitoring the thread until it is closed, which seems inevitable. No! Don’t let them close it! They should reopen the Barn House forum and make this the only thread in it. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1541 "2015-05-11T08:11:50Z")
Yeah, this thread is one for the ages. I’m bookmarking it now for the inevitable “Remember that guy?” thread five years in the future. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559.md?page=76) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559.md?page=78)