# How were the pyramids in Egypt built? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 7, 2014, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559 "2014-12-07T10:40:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 82
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1622 "2015-05-13T06:07:42Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Just for laughs, I compiled the following report and invite contributions. This thread deserves to be added, I feel, upon its death. At this moment, 536 of cladking’s total 551 posts have been in this thread, and those 536 posts comprise 33% of the thread’s total of 1616 posts. No such list is complete without: Justhink (mechanical suicide machine guy) Karol (the Earth is concave, and we live inside it) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1623 "2015-05-13T06:23:17Z")
And don’t forget: Piper/Seethruart (Not only NASA faked the moon landings, NASA did hide evidence of aliens and their ships on the moon.) (Wait, if photos taken there are his evidence then… Don’t ask!) Even the internet sites of his have disappeared after years of invading other sites, no mean feat when the internet never forgets. So much for his promise/threat that children would learn _the truth_ in schools by now. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1624 "2015-05-13T06:29:18Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And don’t forget: > > Piper/Seethruart (Not only NASA faked the moon landings, NASA did hide evidence of aliens and their ships on the moon.) > > (Wait, if photos taken there are his evidence then… Don’t ask!) Even the internet sites of his have disappeared after years of invading other sites, no mean feat when the internet never forgets. So much for his promise/threat that children would learn _the truth_ in schools by now. Oh wow, I _had_ forgotten about that one. We know the moon landings are fake because the photos they took when there contain miniature views of giant alien structures, or something. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1625 "2015-05-13T12:48:44Z")
Who was that guy that said that relativity was wrong? ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1626 "2015-05-13T14:39:28Z")
> [@simster](#): > > So - if the king lives forever - where is he? > > If the pyramids were not a tomb, what were they for? Most of the purposes were really quite mundane. It’s probably best to think of them as monuments to the ingenuity and industriousness of nature/ human beings. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1627 "2015-05-13T14:42:29Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Yeah, I see what you are saying there. If you go back to Google Earth there are a few pictures from that area (though it’s pretty sparse), and none of them look like much. I have a site plan of the Giza plateau and I don’t see anything marked there, so no idea if that’s modern (or perhaps not ‘modern’, but post dating the Old Kingdom…a lot of folks over the years dug up and into the pyramids, especially this one, looking for treasure and such) or from the time of the construction (or, I suppose, before the construction if it’s a natural geyser). I don’t THINK that’s what clad was talking about, though, since that’s actually at a lower elevation than north and west…and he was banging on about water on hills and such. However, maybe he’ll wander back in to clarify. The pit is the ruins of an hydraulic leveling device that assisted the loading of the sled that took the stones up. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1628 "2015-05-13T14:46:55Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > There isn’t a difference. Chemistry IS physics. > > “All science is physics or stamp collecting.” > -Ernest Rutherford Well stated. This is the reality within the confines of nature and human knowledge. Egyptology though is science founded on four beliefs which are being systematically disproven. Outside of these axioms it is merely a religion. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1629 "2015-05-13T14:52:30Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > The pit is the ruins of an hydraulic leveling device that assisted the loading of the sled that took the stones up. Wow, the hits just keep on coming. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1630 "2015-05-13T14:56:04Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > The pit is the ruins of an hydraulic leveling device that assisted the loading of the sled that took the stones up. This is what you believe, but asserting this is so is not actual evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1631 "2015-05-13T15:01:12Z")
CK. have you ever actually visited the site in person? Can you show any photos of the alleged geyser? ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1632 "2015-05-13T15:13:53Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > No, he says it is 10 feet north of the pyramid, and 35 feet east of the middle of the wall. > > As for zooming in, it isn’t a very high resolution picture, and it’s also in shadow. Not seeing a hole there doesn’t prove there isn’t one. > > **CK** , how big is this hole supposed to be? Can you show us any pictures of it? > > Have you visited the site personally? Got your own pictures of the hole? If the hole were visible the existence of geysers would be known. The bore hole is deep down inside a massive fissure that is hundreds of feet long and quite wide running generally E/ W just noth of the pyramid. This fissure had to give the ancients a great deal of trepidation citing a 6 1/2 million ton structure right on a weakened cliff face. Ironically modern estimates of the ability of the cliff to withstand the forces are estimated at about five times the actual forces which is the same level of safety used today. We could call this coincidence which it most probably is but a sample size of “1” means nothing. They had some latitude in the exact siting though and could have built it back from the cliff face up to another 20’ or so. The bore hole should be four or five inches. They had the tools to drill larger holes and I’m not capable of computing the ideal size. I’m not sure anyone is with the data available. I’d guess the Egyptians used trial and error on many of these things and through theory and experiential knowledge zeroed in on the proper size. This fissure was partially excavated in 1846 down to a level that a 12 year old boy could dig no deeper. He did not report seeing the bore. Most of the great pyramids used this same technique. The pyramid was sited slightly west and south of the drilled geyser. This was chiefly because they used the sun for signalling (they no doubt had a back up system for cloudy days). All the primary stations had to be in sunlight or nearby. Remember too that the Land of Rainbows was a thirty mile stretch on the west side of the river and they obtained many supplies from the river. This forced the usage of the east side for handling, processing, and transport of materials. The hub of activity was the sawing factory on the east side and all orders came from above. There’s really nothing at all new in any of the things I’m saying. I am merely reinterpreting the physical evidence to agree with the guidelines as deduced from the actual writing of the builders as well as the titles and ALL other physical evidence. You’ll need to remember that there are reasons all this isn’t generally known. I can list many of these reasons but I’ve already been saddled with disproving Egyptology which really is outside the scoipe of determining how the great pyramids were built. It’s unfair to also make me explain the weaknesses and causes of the weaknesses in orthodox beliefs. In a nutshell Egyptology had virtually no evidence and the little they had was acquired in an unfortunatre order that prevented them from seeing the obvious. You may read this past sentence and figure it looks woo but the fact is the word “ramp” isn’t even attested from the great pyramid building age and there is no direct evidence any great pyramid was a tomb. IT DOESN’T MATTER IF EGYPTOLOGY IS RIGHT OR WRONG THESE TWO FACTS PROVE THERE IS VERY LITTLE EVIDENCE. Egyptology is a construct and not a science. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1633 "2015-05-13T15:21:02Z")
The problem is that few people realize just how unsupported Egyptological beliefs really are. If you ask for support not one of them can even cite the relevant evidence that purportedly explains the belief; instead they produce a bibliography and tell you you’ll need to read all those books to possibly understand. Few people come back from reading these as they are swallowed up by some maleficent force and there’s only an empty pod left. If you ask the replicant why he now believes in Egyptology he’ll produce another bibliography; a roadmap to the damned. The next time an Egyptologist tells you they used ramps just ask him why the word ramp isn’t even attested from the great pyramid building age. When he tells you they didn’t write about building these enormous tombs ask him why there’s no direct evidence of any sort that they were tombs. Ask him to define even one of the sceptres and what magic it performed. These guys can yack and yack but you’ll never get a straight answer. There is no support for their “theories” because it’s just an attempt to create consistencies with the little evidence that exists. This is “science” founded on the beliefs that the ancients were changeless and ignorant savages who dragged tombs up ramps. As such they have applied technology and some aspects of scientific examination to the evidence but only within the framework of their beliefs. If even one of these beliefs is false then the entire fascade of “science” simply collapses. The natures of these beliefs have not only been laid bare but one has been disproven and the total illogic of another has been shown. The other two simply aren’t supported except by interpretation. When you build a house of cards then it will collapse when you remove any load bearing card. The biggest problem appears to be that most people just go along with the herd. There’s comfort in numbers and in not standing out. Generally the herd is headed in the correct, or at least the only possible, direction. Nobody within or without the herd really wants to go back 150 years to fix the fundamental errors in Egyptology so we’re still moving in lock step into a trap; into a twilight zone of falsity and misunderstanding. The “skeptics” who believe they protect the herd from straying or stumbling on every cracked pot that rolls down the pike are actually serving as shills for Egyptologists whose primary concern is simply the status quo and their personal reputations rather than the health of the herd. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1634 "2015-05-13T15:24:40Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > :dubious:Rethinking this I can’t see any reason why porous limestone caverns under a zillion ton stone monument would be a problem. Nothing at all.:smack: There are some large voids under G2 and there are unexplored caves all around. They seem to be afraid not only of the pyramids but anything that might slither out of a cave. I pray that if they ever do the right thing and explore these caves they closely monitor the air in early summer or they might be killed by ancient “serpents”. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1635 "2015-05-13T15:25:43Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > The next time an Egyptologist tells you they used ramps just ask him why the word ramp isn’t even attested from the great pyramid building age. Because they didn’t speak English. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1636 "2015-05-13T15:27:42Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > CK. have you ever actually visited the site in person? > > Can you show any photos of the alleged geyser? I haven’t had the chance but would love to. A lot of people who don’t agree with Egyptology get the bums rush out of the Cairo Airport so I’d want permission before going. All I have is the ben ben stone in the Sphinx Temple; [![](https://www.egyptiandawn.com/images/plates/large/7-62sup.jpg) ](https://www.egyptiandawn.com/images/plates/large/7-62sup.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1637 "2015-05-13T15:29:32Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Because they didn’t speak English. It is unattested in all languages surviving from the great pyramid building age of Egypt. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1638 "2015-05-13T15:36:25Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Wow, the hits just keep on coming. There’s a huge amount of information in the PT if you can understand it. In a vacuum this information would be difficult to deduce but there is no vacuum and the ruins are still in evidence still giving silent testimony to how the pyramids were really built. These are the words of nature that are in ruins compared to the words of nature that have been redacted and carved in stone at various little tiny pyramid sites. They fit together like a hand in a glove just as the words themselves are internally consistent and describe the pyramid steps as the five fingers of the earth. It all fits together not through confirmation bias as is apparent but rather because it reflects the reality which is difficult to see from our perspective of omniscience. ---
**Author:** ![cladking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@cladking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cladking)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1639 "2015-05-13T15:37:59Z")
I think I owe the thread a couple posts but lack the time right now. -later. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1640 "2015-05-13T15:40:41Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > I haven’t had the chance but would love to. A lot of people who don’t agree with Egyptology get the bums rush out of the Cairo Airport so I’d want permission before going. Seriously? Airport staff won’t know about you or your theories. If you tell them, they won’t care. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559/1641 "2015-05-13T15:48:58Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Seriously? > > Airport staff won’t know about you or your theories. If you tell them, they won’t care. Apparently they don’t even care if you’re going there to make a porn film. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559.md?page=81) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-were-the-pyramids-in-egypt-built/706559.md?page=83)