That does not make it accurate.
So is your wild hypothesis. Anyone can claim anything, as you’ve shown here. But until you can present it in a way that others can verify your claims, it’s just ranting. If you want people to accept your claims then you have to provide vetted evidence.
You don’t seem to be willing or able to do this. And as a result, no one will ever take you seriously.
That’s what Shakespeare said.
(William wrote a line in a play about a clock striking, but historians and Shakespeare-deniers claim the striking clock wasn’t invented in his time.)
How do you propose I prove Petrie’s claim that there was water erosion in the canal leading to where I suggest there was a cliff face counterweight? The powers that be are still taking a heavy toll on the surviving evidence and it’s likely degraded significantly since Petrie’s day. A palace was constructed that wiped out at least 75’ of it. Everyday more destruction is going on because they believe in ramps and gold so everything else is irrelevant.
Ihave no idea how “vet” evidence. Something is either an actual artefact or it isn’t. Some things can’t move much or hide like the 100,000 ton water collection device under the pyramid. Yes I’d love to see a proper study of this buty Egyptologists believe it’s just a holy walkway so they aren’t very interested in it. The builders thought it was pretty important and called it the “Ssm.t” (colloquially) or the “itr.t-palace” scientifically. It was the “integral apron” vulgarly;
368a. N. pushes off from the earth in thy boat, O Rē‘;
368b. so when thou goest forth from the horizon, he (N.) has his sceptre in his hand,
368c. as navigator of thy boat, O Rē‘,
369. Thou (N.) mountest up to heaven; thou separatest thyself from the earth, a separation from wife and office (royal-apron).
He pushes off from the apron in his boat holding the dm-sceptre.
Hell, I’d like to see some sort of backup for the 40,000 years (!!) of scientific knowledge the Egyptians supposedly had. I mean, that claim alone makes the water powered stone lifting pyramid builder seem almost sane by comparison, since if you were willing to expend the effort just to build a Rube machine you could probably make it work…and it would be cool and funny to see in action, though it would be a lot of wasted effort to do something you could do easier and more prosaically using the tech that everyone else used before and after.
You gather evidence on the ground. You examine it in light of the entirety of the other evidence without ignoring the pieces you don’t like. You create predictions based on what you’ve think happened. You publish your findings and let others examine the data and respond. You search for evidence that would confirm or refute your claims.
That much is clear.
Objects exist, true. What you think they represent or mean is subject to interpretation. What you’ve presented as fact, isn’t fact. It’s your unsupported assertion based on what appears to be a wildly fantastic idea. The reason others don’t agree with your ideas isn’t that they refuse to accept the paradigm shift, it’s that you haven’t made your case. It’s flawed on a number of levels, from the poorly thought out idea, to the lack of real evidence, to cherry-picking published data, to relying on crackpot sources, to believing that you have special knowledge of Egyptian hieroglyphics. The paradigm shift is the least of your problems.
That does not excuse you from the burden of proof. You made the extraordinary claim, it is up to you to prove it. Without falsifiable evidence, it is just an opinion.
I can follow that better. Still won’t work, and he doesn’t actually show the water lifting anything, but I can follow it. I mean, to the point that the water level rises above that of the inlet pipe. Maybe I could get a bottle of pop and see if I can duplicate it. The “geysers” spraying out of the vents actually makes sense. It wouldn’t do any useful work, but it would be cool!
Nor someone who has lived in a crappy, old building. Nor much of an observer of anything.
Guys, his water idea is a little silly but it’s simply putting water in a sled to act as a counter weight to pull up stones. Thet manner he thinks they got water up there is fanciful but he’s not claiming they had pneumatic tubes or steam power.
Nobody had ever used a ramp to do this kind of lifting before the great pyramids. This is part of the debunkment that we’d have to believe ramps were born full blown and able to lift hundreds of thousands of tons to great heights.
Humans apparently did arise very very suddenly about 40,000 years ago. I believe this was the result of a mutation in the brain that created the human speech center. Complex language created humanity by allowing us to pass down knowledge from generation to generation. This first complex language was an elaboration of a simple animal language that was metaphysical in nature. It was scientific so complex language invented complex science and 40,000 years of human progress. The great pyramid builders were a culmination of 40,000 years of language and its science.
True. But it’s absolutely key to our consensus-based process for discovering reality. If you want to propose a replacement for the Scientific Method, you’ll need to be awfully persuasive.
Also…if huge volumes of water were pumped around, especially open to the air, to move immense blocks of stone, shouldn’t there be pronounced erosion channels in the plateau? Shouldn’t there be remnants of vast muddy mires? Shouldn’t there be remaining drainage channels, stone-lined ditches, dams, aqueducts, water-gates, and so on?
For example, you can still find the flumes that the Miners 49ers used to gather up water for their high-pressure spray-excavation techniques. You can still see the banks of the hills that they cut away. Now, sure, this is only one-eighteenth as long ago as the creation of the Pyramids, but, then, the Pyramid project is much, much larger. There ought to be a very visible aqueduct scar running from upstream/uphill where Nile waters would have been gathered. As far as I’ve ever heard, there isn’t any such thing.
On the other hand, I believe they have found the much smaller leveling trenches where the Pyramid builders used water to establish a vertical baseline for the foundations. (I may be mistaken in this, but I had thought the actual trenches had been discovered.)
As I already said the powers that be destroyed much of it. As I’ve said many times they won’t even go looking for new evidence to destroy. It is still evidence until all the books are burned.
Please provide a specific example relevant to the argument. Of course evidence is dependent on interpretation which is why I’m interpreting all the evidence. Orthodoxy interprets almost all of it as being a red herring and most of the rest as being “religious” in nature.
Of course it’s supported. This is what the interpretation is about.
Tomato… …tomatoe.
I’ve made the case and lack the proof which they aren’t seeking.
I’m not claiming any special knowledge. I am claiming that Egyptologists have abysmal reading comprehension skills. I just read the thing and studied as I went. Anyone could do it if they wanted to put forth the effort.
Exactly.
The hardest thing to believe is that there were actually geysers here. It is somewhat unusual geology for the existence of CO2 geysers but the area is so unusual it might just be the exception.
If there were geysers then everything else seems reasonable enough fort me and there are “geysers” today as well as a carbonated aquifer. While the whole thing seems surrealistic there’s just no one thing that is all that fanciful. It’s this and my inability to communicate that has led me in these tangental directions as much as anything. The language doesn’t look all that strange to me but then I’ve read it hundreds of times.
I think if it were “translated” properly most people would be able to pick it up pretty fast but maybe not. Lots of people are interested in my interpretation but not many seem to understand. I guess if an Egyptologist ever read it he’d think I was right in a left handed sort of way. They won’t read it. It obviously makes them queasy. It’s a little the way I feel when I read their interpretations.
No!
It really isn’t. All progress has always been incremental and it has always been from individuals. Groups don’t think and their intelligence is the reciprocal of the dumbest member. Groups don’t have ideas, individuals do.
Most progress is serendipitous and occurs to those best suited to observe the new idea. This certainly applues to me in this case. I’m an oddball generalist who tripped over the truth and fell in through the back door. But I knew what happened after I dusted myself off.
And modest, too!
Finally, weasel words! Where did your cocky self-assurance go? 
As I said, offer us an alternative to the Scientific Method.
Not at all true; there have been numerous partnerships in science – the Curies come readily to mind – and large projects such as CERN are also very productive.
If groups don’t think…how can they have an intelligence that is the “reciprocal of the dumbest member?”
(Also, that would mean that, by having one utter dolt in the group, the group’s intelligence would be increased. You probably didn’t mean to use the word “reciprocal,” which implies a numerical opposition. A very low number would have a very high reciprocal.)
No, it doesn’t work that way. You claim evidence has been destroyed, and certainly that’s possible. But you can’t just make that claim then make statements as if we have to assume that missing evidence is true.
All of your translations are completely unsupported. I don’t know enough to say that they’re completely bogus, but others in this thread have punched enough holes in your translations that I don’t need to. You apparently have no training in linguistics and you’re making some outlandish claims. No one is going to accept those magical translations that go against years of established and documented scholarship. You can’t just claim to have translations of a language you admit you don’t understand.
And they’d be just as wildly wrong as you are.
More and more canals and ditches are being found all the time. They are written off or ignored. Just as no comprehensive listing of passages and caves exist there are none for canals either. There really would need to be a lot of these structures for the work that was done. Most of the “winding watercourse” was on the pyramid proper and is invisible except fragments on G1’s gravimetric scan. The Marsh of Reeds is some 15 meters underneath the Mena House Golf Course. The geyser itself is 10’ north of the north side and 35’ east of the N/S CL. The mehet weret cow was destroyed to make cladding for thje pyramid. The only other water based infrastructure are the so called boat pits which likelt held sails for small lateral moves and the “min” just east of the pyramid in the center which was an hydraulic leveling device for loading the dndndr-boat. The so called “trial passages” might have been a device for flipping stones upside down onto the causeway so they could be inspected and sent on to the mason’s shop on the east side. The causeway itself acted as a conduit to tranfer water to the port after construction was complete. On some pyramids most of the water handling system survives. The so called grand gallery may have been a series of 13 shadufs which transported water from 70’ to 140’ to reduce rigging. The “chambers” grew smaller with altitude and stored water at night as the men slept. When the lower chamber became too small to hold much water a crew in the grand gallery lifted water at night into the enormous retention basin that eventually became the “kings chamber”.
The people bragged that they needed as little water as a desert creature called the oryx. This anbimal could last weeks without water and could smell rain from fifty miles away. They affixed a carving of an oryx head to the top of the 3nw-boat (counterweight) to remind themselves there was work even when there was no water. So long as it didn’t dry up they could work. Eventually osiris would purify himself again and the men cheered.
There’s not really any significant evidence missing that I’d expect to see. Where itr doesn’t exist at one pyramid, it willat another.
I should know. I’ve spent many hours staring at satellite pictures looking. I found some fascinating things but no aquaducts.
The water came to Giza from below the ground. It was called “Rosteau” and this word meant “Mouth of Caves” in Egyptian. The caves brought the water to their mouths.
There’s no general agreement here.
I wonder if the base of the pyramid is a straight line or curved with the earth as it would be if water were used. Simple tests just aren’t done and many that are done are never reported. Everybody is starved for data.
I calls them as I sees them.
You’ll never hear an Egyptologist lament that there’s no direct evidence of any sort that any great pyramid was a tomb. You’ll never hear hinm admit that no evcidence of any sort exists that stones were dragged up ramps.
I don’t know everything. I don’t really know anything. My understanding is that CO2 geysers are unusual at high altitudes.
The geology here is downright weird. The Nile Valley was a canyon a mile and a half deep so the bedrock has caves down to a mile and a half. This is a transform plate boundary where three plates join. It is seismically active but quakes are unusual. There are warm springs nearby. There are two aquifers underneath and carbonated Lake Kivu was in its drainage basin as recently as 10,000 years ago. There are volcanos in northern Sudan and an ancient river that once flowed east to west just north of Giza. It just strange.