Pushing something up a slightly inclined sloped device(ramp) is so simple a caveman could do it.
But there’s no evidence rope technology evolved because the first pyramid was a great pyramid.
I haven’t seen it but I have it on good authority that there is a drawing of men dragging a stone up a ramp. It was on Amenemhat III’s pyramid causeway if memory serves. This was built about 1000 years after G1. Almost all the evidence Egyptology yhas is anachronistic. What is actually appropriate to the era supports my theory and not Egyptology.
You know if I were making this stuff up then why isn’t Egyptology calling me on it? Why are they instead trying to bolster up the ramp theory and failing utterly? Why are they still not gathering evidence and taking measurements?
People have a right to the data and Egyptologists were not installed in their position to keep it from us, obviously.
Because “Egyptology” is neither the name of an official organization or a specific individual. If it was either of these things, I sure the answer would be:
- Who is this crank, and
- Why should I waste my time when there is real work to be done?
See, this is what happens when you refuse to read Egyptologists, but insist on stating what you think they believe: you get things wrong.
Some research suggests alternate estimates to the accepted workforce size. For instance, mathematician Kurt Mendelssohn calculated that the workforce may have been 50,000 men at most, while Ludwig Borchardt and Louis Croon placed the number at 36,000. According to Miroslav Verner, a workforce of no more than 30,000 was needed in the Great Pyramid’s construction. Evidence suggests that around 5,000 were permanent workers on salaries with the balance working three- or four-month shifts in lieu of taxes while receiving subsistence “wages” of ten loaves of bread and a jug of beer per day. Zahi Hawass believes that the majority of workers may have been volunteers. It is estimated that only 4,000 of the total workforce were labourers who quarried the stone, hauled blocks to the pyramid and set the blocks in place. The vast majority of the workforce provided support services such as scribes, toolmakers and other backup services. The tombs of supervisors contain inscriptions regarding the organisation of the workforce. There were two crews of approximately 2,000 workers sub-divided into named gangs of 1,000. The gangs were divided into five phyles of 200 which were in turn split into groups of around 20 workers grouped according to their skills, with each group having their own project leader and a specific task.
A construction management study (testing) carried out by the firm Daniel, Mann, Johnson, & Mendenhall in association with Mark Lehner and other Egyptologists, estimates that the total project required an average workforce of 14,567 people and a peak workforce of 40,000. Without the use of pulleys, wheels, or iron tools, they used critical path analysis to suggest the Great Pyramid was completed from start to finish in approximately 10 years.
This is gibberish. Has anyone, anywhere actually claimed the Egyptians, or any other culture, were “changeless”?
As for your crusade against “cultural context” as a concept, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Lastly, what sort of direct evidence would you accept that they were tombs?
So what’s this?
And this?
The builders described building in exquisite detail. It’s not the way we’d describe it and there’s noconstruction manual but many facets of the machinery are described or can be deduced from description.
If you just googled “irrelevancies” there might be a long list of the arguments used against the theory.
How about explaining how my nonsensical theory makes predictions?
I could exp[lain the paragraph if you miss the meaning. If you take the meaning tell me why it can’t be right.
It is a trademark.
Several people have threatened to usurp it though.
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Pushing something up a slightly inclined sloped device(ramp) is so simple a caveman could do it.
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Perhaps but how did he build the incline?
This was Imhotep’s genius. He built a mastaba just like Egyptians had done for centuries using buckets of water and he had a brainstorm; all that was required to keep building higher was to shorten the ropes. He turned the mastaba into the world’s first pyramid, Djoser’s stepped pyramid at Saqquara.
Important work too, like kicking the builders out of the builders village after I pointed out it was too small. When I pointed out it couldn’t be a port because there were no roads the “wet sand theory” was invented.
Egyptology is toast, it’s just happening in slow motion. Without “cultural context” all they have are four unsupported assumptions.
No such evidence exists. Men can not drag stones up hills all day and live on bread and beer.
Consult a dietician because you won’t believe me.
Good question, sorta, I guess. My first inclination is to suppose that you’re not important enough for an expert to bother with. You’re getting your ass handed to you by a bunch of laymen in this thread. Why would serious academics spend time and journal space “calling” somebody who demonstrates neither the capacity nor the inclination to engage in real scholarship?
Cranks is cranks. You’re not even a well-known enough crank to merit more than a name-check on rationalwiki.
No, I completely understand your meaning. It’s a classic example of authentic frontier gibberish.
If they described building in detail why is there zero evidence, except your own ‘translations’ for the machine you describe? The Greeks used cranes to build structures (they used ramps as well)…and there is actual EVIDENCE of them in use. There is zero evidence of your theory in the archeological record, however. And since you give no specific details, just broad statements or woo based mysticism we can’t even actually look at whether it’s even possible. YOU certainly haven’t modeled it and since you haven’t given enough specifics there is nothing to argue against.
The thing is, many of your statements that can be cross checked have been shown to be bullshit. Your insistence that the Giza pyramids were the first pyramids is a good example…as is you seeming obsession against ramps, despite there being actual archeological evidence of ramps being used in Egypt at that time period (and earlier for that matter). So, when you are making vague assertions based on YOUR translations of hieroglyphics based on a mystical woo based world view why SHOULD anyone take you the least bit seriously? You hijacked that thread on the other board where they were basically telling you the same things that WE have been telling you for going on 20+ pages now. To paraphrase Cromwell, have you considered in your woo based heart that you may be wrong? When people tell you, over and over again that you are wrong, have you at least thought about the possibility that you need to re-think your concepts and maybe actually study this subject a bit more before making broad assertions that aren’t based on fact but instead are based on YOUR interpretation of things (often your interpretation of someone else interpretation that is out of context)? Just a thought, but when you get the little shit wrong, consistently, it’s going to be hard to convince folks that you have the big picture correct.
I agree with Telemark Johnson.
What is that logical fallacy that says that the last person talking wins? Most of us (pointed look at the exception) got past that in fourth grade.
It was a common meme in pop culture for centuries. Nobody with any credibility said it, though.
Czarcasm Johnson is right!
But it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.
Oh, that settles that then. I shall expunge my mind of what I’ve already read about the pyramid town and the temporary camp. That was close!
No one says that’s all they could eat. Sheesh.
That’s how commodity wages work, you can consume them, trade them, or do some of both.
Oh hey, more ancient beer rations. How about that.
How long ago are we talking? I’ve never heard the idea.
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No one says that’s all they could eat. Sheesh.
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Well, in addition, I don’t think that the King of Clad realized that Egyptian beer wasn’t made of the exact same stuff as the Bud he’s currently downing with a mushroom chaser. You probably could live and work pretty well on Egyptian beer and bread (not, as you say, that this was all they had).
Claddy really should do even some cursory research on ancient diets, especially after the introduction of agriculture, and how restricted those diets were…yet how much work folks were actually able to do on those diets.
ETA: Link to someone making an ancient recipe Egyptian beer.