CO2 geysers do exist and have existed in the past. The question is whether there were any here during great pyramid construction. You mention the tendency of these geysers to cause erosion and there is an enormous sinkhole on the south end of what I’m describing as a massive geyser field. There is also the other evidence I previously mentioned. There will be a great deal more evidence found if it is ever sought I believe.
You’ve presented no cogent argument against using spraying water to lift stones. You’ve presented what could be complications and I’ve said common sense ways to get past these complications and the words of the builders that say they saw these complications as well.
They used a simple wooden box next to the upper eye of horus that had a floating lid and was called the eyebrow of horus. As previously described the box was filled with a mixture of musilagenous myhrr, grease, and natron. This imparted a distinctive odor to the water so men knew it was safe. It also assured that everything was out of solution.
Logically carbonated water has to be able to travel under the ground or CO2 geysers couldn’t exist. I’m merely suggesting that the carbonation came from some unknown location to the south and possibly far to the south. It really doesn’t matter much exactly where it was carbonated, merely that it was already saturated in minerals before spraying out of the ground. “The eye of horus is young with thee, it is large with thee” simply says that the wells (called eye of horus) tended to lime-up. Believing they thought horus’ eyes got smaller with age is tantamount to calling them stinky footed bumpkins just because we don’t understand the simplest concepts like what the eye of horus is. We’re using our ignorance to name them.
Their gods didn’t stink, walk in corpse dripping, spend the night in the lap of hermroditic gods, or have eyes that got smaller with age. These concepts are all absurdities believed in by us but had no meaning to the ancient people. They were not superstitious, we are. Their ancestors were not superstitious and ours were.
All the physical evidence agrees. We think there isn’t much physical evidence but that’s just because we are viewing it wrong.
Ironically there’s at least one Bible passage that contains the ancient perspective of evolution. Their understanding of evolution was much better thought out than ours. They had 40,000 years of observation and it’s decidely difficult to perform experiments in the field of evolution.
Some other time maybe.
It’s not the afterlife!!! “Afterlife” is our superstitious understanding of what they said. We just ignore allthe parts that don’t fit the patterns we see based on our beliefs. We just skim over the words carved in stone that say MEN can come and go to heaven too. “Men and gods your arms under me as you raise me and lift me to heaven”.
We have chosen to believe they were superstitious despite our lack of understanding.
How ever much evidence there is my theory predicts it will be very easy to find proof if anyone ever goes to look.
The irony here is that I’m not really “interpreting” it at all!!!
I’m merely reading it. I simply started with the premise that the builders weren’t really stinky footed bumpkins and weren’t sun addled. I assumed they were primitive, sane, and intelligent and that their writing would reflect that. I had beenm told I couldn’t understand the builders until I understood the PT so instead of reading Egyptological claptrap about what it meant, I read the PT instead.
Lo and behold and somewhat to my surprise as I started solving terms by context a meaning began to emerge. It turns out that they actually meant exactly what they said. I often say that it’s just like Egyptologists went to herculean effort to translate the ancient writing and then NEVER BOTHERED TO READ IT. The answer has been sitting in front of our noses for 150 years and no one saw it! There were a few Egyptologists who suspected something and some even said they thought the writing might be metaphysical but they lacked the tools to solve it in the 19th century and then they were excommunicated from Egyptology. I didn’t lack the tools. I solved it.
If you try to “interpret” the PT all the meaning evaporates. Just read it. Study it. Research it. As you do the meaning begins popping out like buds in the spring. It was not written by dying moribound people obsessed by death and and the dead. It was written by people who were very alive and carried a little of this life even into death. It was just the way they dealt with mourning. There was no relkigion and no magic. These are concepts that exist today and they are confusions of things that came from mankind’s youth.
If there’s a scrap of evidence anywhere that supports ramps I have already seen it and investigated it. Over the years there have been probably 150 scraps of this stuff that has been presented as proof that they mustta used ramps.
None of it stands up to scrutiny. These are the things that make Egyptologists believe in ramps but none of it really amounts to a hill of beans. Even in aggregate it means nothing at all.
Most of it has to be tossed out as irrelevant or anachronistic. What’s left is largely based on nothing but interpretation and the evidence isn’t strong enough to be determinative just by interpreting it. Almost ALL of this so called evidence for ramps is part of my theory. My theory explains this evidence far better than orthodoxy explains it because my theory was built around the evidence.
There is one single piece of evidence that might support ramp hypotheses better than my hypothesis. I believe this piec of evidence would be interpreted very differently if we actually had proper scientific analysis of it and data rather than having to rely on interpretation. As I’ve said thousands of times, Egyptologists simply don’t do scientific analysis and measurement of anything for over a quarter century now. Even before they quit doing science they primarily focused on looking for ramps and trying to prove existing ideas rather than studying what was actually there. Petrie is spinning in his grave.
There is no evidence to support the notion that stones were dragged up ramps and there never will be because they never had ramps. The builders would have laughed themselves into early graves if someone came up as they were putting away their tools and speculated they had just made it with ramps.
I also often suspect that Mercer didn’t renew his copyright because he believed this would fascilitate a solution. I might not have been willing to buy the book and if it weren’t searchable I couldn’t have solved.
Mercer deserves a great deal of credit since his translation is so true to the actual glyphs and he specifies where he deviates. This was of immense value.
My work here was really almost nothing compared to the greats of the past. Like all of us we merely stand on their shoulders but now I can see giants behind us too. The world is not what it appears to be!
It makes perfect sense, you just can’t understand it. Try reading it as prose, instead of mining it to cherry-pick lines to support your preconceived ideas.
Also, you’re doing that thing again, where you insist the Egyptians had no religious beliefs, then attribute a religious belief to them, in order to square your mangling of the PT to your theory.
Lastly, have you considered the effect your hatred of religion and religious people miight have on your thought processes here?
There is plenty of evidence in this tread to show that it is you who is viewing it wrong, not only on the nonsense of the co2 geyser (Again, co2 geysers exist, you are ignoring the problems you get into by assuming they were used in the construction of the pyramids)
Your bits about the bible and the PT only demonstrate that indeed it is religion what is driving you, not evidence.
And as usual, you are ignoring that when looking we are finding many flaws and problems with your idea, you are still not even capable of admitting that one of the first steps scientists do use is modeling, something so related to architecture that only people that do want to remain ignorant continue to deny.
The point here stands, you are not wiling to even do the first steps to find the extraordinary proof that you need.
This is so utterly stupid a comment as to rival anything else you have posted. It is actually worse than your imaginary geysers.
The notion that a wire rope will suffer the same fraying as a hemp or flax rope when dragged across a rough surface under tension is simply wrong. At this point, you appear to be simply making things up to keep your conversation going, irrespective of any facts.
This is just admitting to using pseudo science, not science.
Your theory includes nonsensical ideas that amounts to dropping an Alka Seltzer into the works, never bothering to explain properly how or where specifically that was done, (your latest is that the geyser was located away from the pyramid, not under; so much for the keystone being like a fountain) so there should be a place above ground with many caves and erosion galore from the prodigious amounts of Seltzer water. You continue to ignore that wherever the geyser was located the structure and the ground around would had fizzled and moving and adding the prodigious amount of anti acid also needs a good working model that follows not only physical but chemical laws as well.
So, you are posting in Egyptian? Looks a lot like imperfect English, to me.
name the people who thought something was “metaphysical.”* Quote them make the claim. Cite where you got your quote. Provide a citation for their “excommunication.” (How does one get “excommunicated” from studying something?)
Failing this, I am compelled to see your whole line of talk as something that you imagined.
I have no problem with religion and beliefs. I’ve grown to have a lot of respect for religions since they are an off shoot of ancient science and were instrumental in inventing modern science.
Everyone has beliefs and there’s no reason any religion should give anyone any worse beliefs than are held by scientists.
What we need to do is to recognize our beliefs so we know their effects and dangers.
In some very real ways, yes, but this isn’t what I meant. I’m simply saying that if you take the anbcient writing literally and assume it was 100% accurate and scientific then it makes perfect sense. No interpretation is necessary because they simply said what they meant. I don’t “interpret” the Egyptians I merely read it and try to deduce what the words have to mean for them to not be stinky footed bumpkins.
This was the Rev Charles Forster back in 1853. He simply lacked the tools. He would have solved it faster than I did if he had google. To even recognize it as nbeing metaphysical was a feat in itself. I had it about half solved before the realization that it was metaphysical in nature.
Lots of Egyptologists have been cast aside as though their work means nothing including such greats as Budge.
Thiswill be my last try. The spraying water was AT the pyramid. Where this same water was carbonated was far away from the pyramid.
The natron was added to the geyser by the w3s-scepter operator who was one of trhe two “blessed dead”. This and shm-scepre operator were dangerous occupations and the Egyptians had a penchant for exaggeration. The w3s-sceptre was a long staff with two hooks on the end that gripped the top of a jug. This jug contained a libation of water and natron which was dumped into a port on the djed. This man reported directly to the number one scientist on the job; the anubis priest on the pyramid top.
The 6th step of the scientific process is experiment evaluation. This seems to be the most abused paret of science now days and is why knowledge is being misapplied so much. I’m calling for a seventh step to combat this; Metaphysical Implications. There is no evidence any ramps were ever used and if you look atall the evidence this is apparent. The word “ramp” isn’t even attested. First Egyptology doesn’t do experiment then they misinterpret the evidence. Now they are trying to back off ramps.
I wouldn’t call Egyptology “pseudo science” but it is most assuredly not science.
Do you realize that Egyptologists write entire books to define such simple basic concepts as “the eye of horus”?
This is a concept so simple and basic a young child can understand it. It is the perspective in which most of the PT is written. The eye of horus is the opening through which water moves. It is Egyptologists who take these lines out of context to try to understand them. Meaning evaporates when you take lines out of context because it was the context that held the meaning. This is the very reason they don’t understand the writing.
You don’t need books to understand the PT you need to believe they weren’t stinky footed bumpkins.
They had no beliefs at all. No religious, magical, or scientific beliefs of any sort. They didn’t even really know they had science because their scientific process (observation > logic) couldn’t be seen from their perspective. They actually said they had no science but we can’t see it from our perspective.
1271a. If Thot comes in this his evil coming;
1271b. do not open to him thine arms; that which is said to him is his name of “thou hast no mother.”
They knew thot’s (natural phenomenon of human progress’) father was observation but they couldn’t see that his mother was language because they thought in this language.
I know. Youi were just imagining that when you posted in English, you were “quoting” the “real” Egyptian.
(And you persistent insult of “stinky footed bumpkins” is getting tiresome. Only you have ever said that about that Ancient Egyptians. It is a straw man argument that makes your claims look foolish and makes you appear mean spirited.
Leaving aside your persistent misuse of the word metaphysical, (a word that does not appear in Forster’s book–so you are accusing him of misusing a word he did not even use), the reality is that there was a fairly popular pastime of people with modest educations to guess at the origins of language in the 19th century. Forster was not an Egyptologist and he is not saying what you attributed to him.
No citations, I see.
And you got Budge’s story wrong. He was never “cast aside” by “Egyptologists.” He proposed a theory of the rise of the Egyptian religion that was in conflict with the ideas of some of his contemporaries, but he continued to publish to respectful audiences throughout his life and Frazer actually borrowed his work to be included in The Golden Bough. Claiming that he was “cast aside” because some small number of scholars disagreed with him is not presenting an accurate picture of what happened. That claim is on a par with saying that Darwin was “cast aside” because you can find brief periods where champions of Lamarck presented more papers than champions of Darwin. It is just silly.
I guess you must have dreamed it when you were imagining that you were speaking Egyptian.
(And, of course, it is amusing that you are “defending” Budge at the same time that you are making the utter nonsense claim that the Egyptians had no religious beliefs.)
I don’t want to bog down in semantics but all kinds of rope are designed to employ the strenght of a material in a flexible medium that can exert as much force as possible for that material. Most rope is wire now days because it is stronger and in most applications will wear better.But the rules of using it properly and inspecting it will never change.
Modern rope will be destroyed if it short circuits something but fibre ropes are unaffected. Materials determine usage.
I’m really not mean spirited and if I were I certainly came by it honestly. I’ve been treated far worse by most Egyptologists than they treat other people and they don’t treat anyone very wellwho disagrees with them. I do have a few Egyptologists I can call “friend” and have been very helpful. I use the phrase not to insult Egyptologists but to make people realize what their own beliefs are about ancient people. Most people have extremely complicated beliefs that can best be summed up as “noble savages”. Most people think ancient man was “sun addled” and none too sharp. This is the image I’m trying to get them to shake. They didn’t lack cement plants and pharmacies because they were primitive and superstitious but because they lacked the knowledge, needs, and science that we have. People don’t even realize what low regard in which they hold ancient man because of the terms we use. They don’t even notice that Egyptologists translate lines to mean we shouldn’t walk in corpse drippings. So I point this out because this is the kind of thing that keeps my ancestors spinning in their graves. Much of what we believe about them would just make them laugh but some of it is very hurtful as well.
Modern people see themselves at the crown of creation and ancient people were only of value because they gave rise to ourselves. The ancients were literally at the crown of creation and we are pretenders.
455c. after thou hast taken possession of the white crown in the water-springs, great and mighty, which are in the south of Libya,
They even bathed in the water so their feet were probably in better shape than ours.
“Stinky footed bumpkin” doesn’t refer to anybody because there are no stinky footed bumpkins and never were. But it is our assessment of our ancestors and how we percieve them. It is inaccurate and people don’t even seem to notice they are doing it.
never bothering to explain properly how or where specifically that was done, (your latest is that the geyser was located away from the pyramid, not under; so much for the keystone being like a fountain) so there should be a place above ground with many caves and erosion galore from the prodigious amounts of Seltzer water. You continue to ignore that wherever the geyser was located the structure and the ground around would had fizzled and moving and adding the prodigious amount of anti acid also needs a good working model that follows not only physical but chemical laws as well.