Sure…his plan is to use bluster and blather to win the Presidency. 
You can tell by the times he’s backtracked on things like his ridiculous wall and what it would cost that he only has a vague idea of how it would work…and almost zero idea of how it would work POLITICALLY. Same goes for this thing about deportation. It’s all just fodder for the faithful…it would be politically impossible to implement such a thing if by some ill fate we managed to elect this fool.
No, let me clarify something.
It wasn’t my post that said ~230k a year, it was the ICE itself. I linked to their very own stats.
I don’t know why you attributed their numbers to me, then started arguing against them as if I said them.
As with any new process, there will be a ramping up period - unless you are assuming that the infrastructure is going to be in place on 1-20-17, there will be a period, 3 months to a year, where people need to be hired, operational plans need to be made, reviewed, and adjusted, negotiations between the States need to occur, appropriations for funding need to be made, etc. Even if Trump issues an executive order, this isn’t going to occur overnight.
So Trump’s plan is at 6.5 million, minimum, to be removed in 3 years (we cannot assume he is going to win re-election, after all). 2.167 million a year, assuming they can keep production of illegals up.
So there are the numbers. Now let’s look at the costs of just one of the facets of this immoral operation.
Even if it takes just 1 month to go from arrest to beach, once the program is fully operational, there will be about 180,000 people in the system at any one time. If it takes 2 months, that’s 360,000 people in the system.
The vast majority of these people will be in detention facilities, waiting for transportation - I would say transportation to the facility(s) and then by boat to their country is, what, 10 days? That’s probably high, but a train full of prisoners coming from Maine to Miami will take about 3-5 days, a boat going from Miami to, say, Cozumel will take 3 days, tops. So I’m fine with 10.
So… let’s think… it costs $28k to house an inmate for a year, or $76 per day. If the 6.5 million brown Catholics being detained spend 20 days on average in detention facilities (30 days less 10 for transportation), this comes to about $10,000,000,000 being spent merely on the holding costs of the prisoners, not counting the capital investments needed to be made in order to carry out just the prison aspect of Trump’s Solution.
And if the Republicans in charge of this plan can’t wring more money out of PBS and education cuts to fund defense appropriations, I’m sure we can cut caloric consumption and pack the cells tighter to save an additional billion or two.
I think the argument here is that most of the “border removals” are not people currently LIVING in this country; they’re people caught crossing the border, or in the immediate vicinity of the border (i.e., who first entered this country in the 24-48 hours prior to their arrest). Those present entirely different situations than people who have settled and have jobs, families, community ties, bank accounts and homes and cars in the United States.
The two groups are not mutually exclusive. People who have lived in the US for many years can leave and be caught by CBP on reentry.
The big blue portion is the part I’m criticizing. I don’t think Trump plans to “catch 'em all” in 3 years. He’s going to be tougher on border security. He says that any illegal caught could potentially be subject to deportation, but I don’t see where his campaign promise is “I’m going to catch all 11 million illegals and get them out of the country in my first term”. It’s a timeline that you appear to have completely made up.
If not financially, then certainly morally. 
last year we deported 230,000 illegals. Were we morally bankrupt last year? If not, at what point do we cross the threshold to moral bankruptcy? 240k? 250k? 500k? 1 million?
Most recently? 20 March 2003.
This is just one of the many, many statements that your guy has made in regards to how fast he is going to deport millions of people.
Response?
Back in September 2015 Trump said he could deport 11 million in two years:
According to the LA Times he’s repeated that claim several times over the past year:
I believe trains are traditional … some sort of goods wagon … Güterwagen, if you will.
Luckily, there is currently a glut of container ships, so that gives us a way to move the deportees efficiently.
Still have to find a place to land them, or maybe just keep them on a sea cruise, ala the SS St Louis.
We could use cargo containers! Why didn’t I think of this - I even saw it during Season 2 of The Wire.
That is really going to cut down on outbound carrying costs! America thanks you! :salute:
Yes, but who is going to buy the containers on the other end? You can’t run profitable exports without an importer. Come to think of it, I might take a flyer on a mixed container for the right price. There has to be a few decent ones in there somewhere.
This is where The Wire, and Donald Trump, is ahead of you.
We ship them refugees, they ship back Eastern European whores. Win-win!
No, no, no. Force the ‘receiving’ countries to buy them and turn them into housing and Trump casinos! Win win for everyone!
I hate that I may actually be giving him ideas.
It’s happened in the past, quite successfully. A revival of Operation Wetback , combined with a massive search for businesses that employed illegals and hitting them with large fines, would do the trick.
And there hasn’t been a single illegal alien seen in this country since then.
Some people seem to hold the view that illegal immigration/residency should be, essentially, illegal and legal at the same time, or quasi-illegal; something of a Schrodinger’s Cat approach to a political issue.
On most other issues of legalization/criminalization, people hold either the view of 1) “Activity X should be illegal, and be prosecuted as illegal,” or 2) “Activity X should be legal outright,” but on this particular issue, people seem to be saying that “Activity X (namely, being in the country illegally) should be illegal, but not result in deportation if caught.”
Say what you may about the conservative position – that it is heartless, that it divides families, that it worsens the lives of people being deported – but at least it is logically consistent. “Only authorized people should be permitted entry or residence in the USA, and those who are in this country without authorization should be deported.” But the position of many amnesty supporters is, “Illegal immigration should be illegal, but the laws should not be enforced.” This is distinctly different from, say, the legalization of marijuana, where people simply want a drug that is illegal to become legal. I am not aware of many people who say that illegal residency in the United States should be legal outright, but, rather, that it would be impractical or immoral to deport the millions who are in the US illegally.
Most examinations of Operation Wetback don’t think it was all that successful even then. The numbers deported were almost certainly grossly exaggerated, but many American citizens of Latino descent were swept up and forcibly deported, and deportees were crammed into banana boats and other inappropriate modes of transport (e.g., 500 people on a ship with lifeboats capable of holding 48).
Now attacking the businesses that hire illegal immigrants would be quite successful, but also quite expensive and injurious to revenues and profit margins, which means it is probably politically unsustainable. (“You’re supposed to go after those brown people, not ME!!!”)