# How will Tebow fall? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 28, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654 "2011-12-28T19:14:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654/61 "2012-01-01T14:49:01Z")
> [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](#): > > Some might be in the band. Others surely would be at the games, at parties, at the mall, in his neighborhood, in friends neighborhoods etc. It’s been a long time since I was in high school but surely things haven’t changed that much. I knew lots of kids at 2 or 3 other high schools in my town that I never saw in school but I would run into in other places. Home school kids aren’t kept in a cage and only let loose on friday nights. Jeez. You do realize that there is considerably less stigma to being an LGBT kid today than even ten years ago right? Many of them are even, gasp, popular. If anything, a hyper-religious kid would be just as ripe for ridicule. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Hey, Katy Perry might be ready to go back to clean-cut Christian boys. Hmm. Perhaps I should be paying more attention to those “Catholics Come Home” commercials. ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654/62 "2012-01-01T16:30:51Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > You do realize that there is considerably less stigma to being an LGBT kid today than even ten years ago right? Many of them are even, gasp, popular. If anything, a hyper-religious kid would be just as ripe for ridicule. Really? They’re popular amongst the hyper-religious kids and would never be bullied by that demographic? Who’d have known? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654/63 "2012-01-01T16:34:48Z")
> [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](#): > > Really? They’re popular amongst the hyper-religious kids and would never be bullied by that demographic? Who’d have known? That’s not what I said. I said LGBT teens aren’t as stigmatized amongst all high schoolers like they were even ten years ago. And then I said that the hyper-religious kid will often be the subject of ridicule as well. Ever had a Jehovah’s Witness in your high school? The “why don’t you celebrate Christmas?” jokes start in first grade and never stop. ---
**Author:** ![Pixel\_Dent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bc8723/32.png) [@Pixel\_Dent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pixel_Dent)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654/64 "2012-01-01T17:39:18Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Not as a quarterback, only time will tell how that works out. Rather, his image as a goody-good, nice guy, hard worker–all around swell favorite of God. History tells us that our heros will fall and reveal themselves to be mere humans (dog fights, steroid scandals, drug abuse, DWI fatlities…). So how will it go with Timmy? While he was at UF, it was pretty well known around Gainesville that he would ride his scooter without wearing a helmet. Given that the university was trying to convince all the students to wear helmets while riding at the time, it made for a very very minor scandal. (i.e. something for local columnists to write about on slow news days). ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2012, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654/65 "2012-01-02T07:33:36Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > That’s not what I said. I said LGBT teens aren’t as stigmatized amongst all high schoolers like they were even ten years ago. > > And then I said that the hyper-religious kid will often be the subject of ridicule as well. Ever had a Jehovah’s Witness in your high school? The “why don’t you celebrate Christmas?” jokes start in first grade and never stop. What do I know? I watch the news and all the talk is about bullying and it sounds frightening and a lot of it they say revolves around these kids. I believed them. I mean you go online and read stuff like this > [@](#): > > In fact, about 9 out of 10 LGBT teens have reported being bullied at school within the past year because of their sexual orientation, according to the most recent gay bullying statistics. Out of those numbers, almost half have reported being physically harassed followed by another quarter who reported actually being physically assaulted. Unfortunately most teens who experience bullying of any kind are reluctant to share their experience or report the incident to a teacher or trusted adult. Even more unfortunate are the gay statistics that report a lack of response among those teachers and school administration. According to a recent statistic, out of the students that did report a harassment or bullying situation because of their sexuality, about one third of the school staff didn’t do anything to resolve the issue. > **[Gay Bullying Statistics - Bullying Statistics](http://www.bullyingstatistics.org/content/gay-bullying-statistics.html)** > > There are many reasons bullies target certain people, which is why we are taking a look at gay bullying statistics, because so many homosexual individuals are the target of bullying. Gay bullying statistics are often a huge contributing factor to the... and I think, thank god they’re not stigmatized any more. Can you imagine what it USED to be like? Now, at least one kid out of 10 gets cut some slack. In any case. I wasn’t pondering some random kid bullying a LGBT kid, I was pondering a fundamental conservative christian doing the bullying and the news kinda hints that this particular group might not be on board with the non straight lifestyle if you get my drift. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2012, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654/66 "2012-01-02T14:34:59Z")
> [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](#): > > What do I know? I watch the news and all the talk is about bullying and it sounds frightening and a lot of it they say revolves around these kids. I believed them. There’s your first mistake. The news sensationalizes everything. Just look at the semi-recent story of Phoebe Prince. The news originally painted it as a girl being absolutely tortured for months by a pack of Mean Girls. But when one reporter dug deeper, she found out that Prince 1) had a history of depression that traces back to before she ever entered school 2) was only “bullied” over a span over a few days and 3) attempted suicide after her boyfriend of a few weeks dumped her. Nothing is ever as simple as the news makes it out to be. > [@](#): > > and I think, thank god they’re not stigmatized any more. Can you imagine what it USED to be like? Now, at least one kid out of 10 gets cut some slack. Read for comprehension. I said they’re not AS stigmatized. Of course LGBT kids are still bullied. Just like I was bullied back in my high school days. And as I’m sure just like you were. Everyone was bullied. But it is MUCH BETTER today for all kids than it was even 10 years ago. For your hypothetical gay kid and for nerds like me. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2012, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654/67 "2012-01-02T14:38:34Z")
…well, OK, so I guess the thread is not about Tebow any more. Wonder if **Theophane** even has checked in to follow up… ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2012, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654/68 "2012-01-02T16:10:10Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > There’s your first mistake. The news sensationalizes everything. Just look at the semi-recent story of Phoebe Prince. The news originally painted it as a girl being absolutely tortured for months by a pack of Mean Girls. But when one reporter dug deeper, she found out that Prince 1) had a history of depression that traces back to before she ever entered school 2) was only “bullied” over a span over a few days and 3) attempted suicide after her boyfriend of a few weeks dumped her. > > Nothing is ever as simple as the news makes it out to be. > > Read for comprehension. I said they’re not AS stigmatized. Of course LGBT kids are still bullied. Just like I was bullied back in my high school days. And as I’m sure just like you were. Everyone was bullied. > > But it is MUCH BETTER today for all kids than it was even 10 years ago. For your hypothetical gay kid and for nerds like me. What I don’t comprehend was what your point was in the first place? You did not say they were not AS stigmatized you said “you do realize” they were considerably less stigmatized and many were gasp even popular. So? As you said, they’re still bullied. The post you quoted didn’t even talk about LGBT kids at all. Of course, your “the media always gets it wrong” ( the story of that one straight girl totally blows away all the statistics I’ll grant you ) and “religious people are the real bullied ones nowadays” leads me to believe I get your point but just to be sure, how was your first post relevant to anything I’d said again? Lets assume that after your anecdote above that I now do indeed realize it. So? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654/69 "2012-01-02T16:17:11Z")
> [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](#): > > Lets assume that after your anecdote above that I now do indeed realize it. So? I’m not even sure what the discussion is about anymore. I guess all my replies in this thread go back to my first post in it. I think Tebow’s the real deal, so I don’t find it very likely that he was a bully. That’s pretty much it. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2012, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654/70 "2012-01-02T16:21:46Z")
> [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#): > > Seriously. Am I missing something, **don’t ask**? I expected your link to direct me to some Bachmannesque gay reformation clinic, but all I see is a charity to help sick kids. > > Again, why does everyone hate Tim Tebow so much? Other than the automatic anti-religious reaction from some I think most are like me, I don’t hate the kid I hate the hype. If you watch one game it’s easy to see he does not have the skills to be a pro quarterback. His team won multiple games this year but mostly on the strength of their defense and kicker. And tebow had some good running plays. tebow himself seems like a nice genuine guy. He just won’t be a quarterback long term. He doesn’t have the arm and the legs will go after being hit in the nfl. And I am totally non-religious and don’t particularly like public displays of faith. ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2012, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654/71 "2012-01-02T16:40:19Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > I’m not even sure what the discussion is about anymore. I guess all my replies in this thread go back to my first post in it. I think Tebow’s the real deal, so I don’t find it very likely that he was a bully. That’s pretty much it. I’ve always agreed with that (the not being a bully part, I don’t think he’s the real deal at QB ) and since Theophane never came back to defend his post I think we can move on from the bullying thing. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654/72 "2012-01-03T21:56:09Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Other than the automatic anti-religious reaction from some I think most are like me, I don’t hate the kid I hate the hype. If you watch one game it’s easy to see he does not have the skills to be a pro quarterback. His team won multiple games this year but mostly on the strength of their defense and kicker. And tebow had some good running plays. tebow himself seems like a nice genuine guy. He just won’t be a quarterback long term. He doesn’t have the arm and the legs will go after being hit in the nfl. And I am totally non-religious and don’t particularly like public displays of faith. To an extent I suppose we are seeing a backlash against an overhype of Tebow, who may have been a perfectly fine Heisman-quality player, but that fact is a poor indicator of future NFL superstar status. Said overhype brought to us by sports media who decided to latch on to the human-interest angle of his piety as his “different” thing, knowing full well that on the one side the pious among the audience would say “Oh, yea! Witness for the Lord on the big stage!” while on the other side some of the more masochistic among the antirreligious would follow the story just to try to see him fail, win-win for the media. Annoyingly, the focus on the human-interest story means that people overlook whether he’s living up to the hype football-wise, thus insulating him from critics by making it look as if it’s merely resentment of his public piety. ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654/73 "2012-01-03T22:09:01Z")
Honestly, I’ve been ragging on Tebow because it’s trendy. I think the whole meme is rather funny and I’ve seen some clever jokes. I don’t follow college football and passively follow the NFL (though I love watching the sport) and my reaction to Tebow as a player has been to be underwhelmed. I don’t think he’s that good, but he’s been winning and I don’t have the skills to evaluate whether I think he’ll improve. I’m rather indifferent to the Broncos and I don’t think I could even name another player on the team. I tend to find all witnessing to be irritating, and I haven’t actually watched enough Denver games to notice him doing it more than anyone else. I roll my eyes at all of it or snark back at the TV anyways. Now there’s just a term for what players do… tebowing…and it makes me laugh. I admit, I’m easily amused. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654/74 "2012-01-04T02:14:46Z")
He’s gonna get crushed by the Steel Curtain this Saturday? 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-tebow-fall/607654.md?page=3)