# How will the Tea Party spin the CT shooting? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 15, 2012, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098 "2012-12-15T07:26:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![dexter8459](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ccd318/32.png) [@dexter8459](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dexter8459)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/61 "2012-12-16T16:28:08Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Bullshit. The shooter did not walk into her classroom, open her purse and take away her gun and start to shoot. > > And as far as I am concerned, I am sane and not a felon and passed the NRA safety course, I should be able to have anything I damned well want. I should be able to concealed carry anywhere except a municipal building/airport if I damned well want. [In US and her territories, I do not claim that my right to bear arms or arm bears carries anywhere outside the US.] > > I will say that I am Republican, registered as such at 18 and consider myself fairly conservative. Do your kids have access to your guns? In my city two nights ago there was an incident at a bar. One man bumped another (according to the police report). When he left the second man followed him into the parking lot with two of his friends who all kicked and stomped him into unconsciousness. How might that have gone down if all of them or some of the bystanders were armed? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2012, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/62 "2012-12-16T19:18:49Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Then good for you. Get informed and stay on top of it. > > In other words, the same dumb stuff they were saying yesterday. Y’know, people in schools could offer up silent prayers to any deity they choose any time they want without anyone knowing. Or do prayers somehow “work better” if spoken aloud from a group? ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2012, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/63 "2012-12-16T21:39:09Z")
An alternate version of the Bryan Fischer theory which I’ve been hearing quite a lot is “this happened because they took God out of the schools”. Presumably this is in reference to the decision of 40-odd years ago that disallowed teacher-led prayers in the classroom. This line of thinking, of course, presumes the children and teachers who died were somehow being punished for an act that none had had a hand in…an utterly sick and twisted interpretation of the tragedy that represents an appalling new low, even for the fundies. SS ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2012, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/64 "2012-12-16T22:51:46Z")
> [@SeldomSeen](#): > > An alternate version of the Bryan Fischer theory which I’ve been hearing quite a lot is “this happened because they took God out of the schools”. Presumably this is in reference to the decision of 40-odd years ago that disallowed teacher-led prayers in the classroom. > > This line of thinking, of course, presumes the children and teachers who died were somehow being punished for an act that none had had a hand in…an utterly sick and twisted interpretation of the tragedy that represents an appalling new low, even for the fundies. > SS Along with that, if they really believe in an omnipresent God, then it cannot be “taken out” of schools any more than it can be “put in” schools since it is everywhere at all times. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/65 "2012-12-17T04:05:45Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > IMO they will find a tasteless, completely inappropriate take on it, and run with it. What do Dopers think that take will be? Why would you think the Tea Party would have any kind of spin on it at all? ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/66 "2012-12-17T04:10:37Z")
> [@dexter8459](#): > > Do your kids have access to your guns? In my city two nights ago there was an incident at a bar. One man bumped another (according to the police report). When he left the second man followed him into the parking lot with two of his friends who all kicked and stomped him into unconsciousness. How might that have gone down if all of them or some of the bystanders were armed? I don’t have my own kids, but I have 6 goddaughters ranging from 5 up to 23 [my god how time flies …:eek:] and they do not have free access to the weapons, though when they hit 8 they get a kids version of the NRA class so they can be safe, and under 14 they can target shoot with supervision on the 22 vermin gun and the older ones can borrow something for target shooting on our practice range here. Really the 5 year old is the only kid too young to have had our safety training and she actually isn’t really interested in guns right now, she likes her American Girl doll and helping me in the kitchen. She is the girliest of all 6 sisters, actually. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/67 "2012-12-17T08:15:10Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Why would you think the Tea Party would have any kind of spin on it at all? Their spin: “If only we armed the teacher, this never would’ve happened.” “If only we allowed kids to pray in schools, their prayers would’ve been answered, and they wouldn’t have died.” etc. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/68 "2012-12-17T17:02:23Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Why would you think the Tea Party would have any kind of spin on it at all? Good point. There isn’t much spin left in the tea party. Its rotational momentum has been reduced significantly since the election.😉 ---
**Author:** ![dexter8459](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ccd318/32.png) [@dexter8459](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dexter8459)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2012, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/69 "2012-12-17T17:49:39Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > I don’t have my own kids, but I have 6 goddaughters ranging from 5 up to 23 [my god how time flies …:eek:] and they do not have free access to the weapons, though when they hit 8 they get a kids version of the NRA class so they can be safe, and under 14 they can target shoot with supervision on the 22 vermin gun and the older ones can borrow something for target shooting on our practice range here. Really the 5 year old is the only kid too young to have had our safety training and she actually isn’t really interested in guns right now, she likes her American Girl doll and helping me in the kitchen. She is the girliest of all 6 sisters, actually. Sounds like a healthy family (and a happy brood) :). ---
**Author:** ![OldGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3bc359/32.png) [@OldGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/70 "2012-12-18T00:49:02Z")
> [@dexter8459](#): > > Do your kids have access to your guns? In my city two nights ago there was an incident at a bar. One man bumped another (according to the police report). When he left the second man followed him into the parking lot with two of his friends who all kicked and stomped him into unconsciousness. How might that have gone down if all of them or some of the bystanders were armed? How might it have gone down? Well some bystander might have drawn a gun and fired then he and his friends draw their guns and fire back and soon there’s a pitched battle going down. Not to mention some of the shots might go astray and killed someone walking or driving down the street. It’s very likely it would not have stopped until at least one person was dead, I imagine. ---
**Author:** ![OldGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3bc359/32.png) [@OldGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/71 "2012-12-18T00:55:19Z")
> [@SeldomSeen](#): > > This line of thinking, of course, presumes the children and teachers who died were somehow being punished for an act that none had had a hand in…an utterly sick and twisted interpretation of the tragedy that represents an appalling new low, even for the fundies. Though if you read the Old Testament, you’ll find it is full of exactly that. God is forever punishing the children and other descendants of evil\* doers. Most of the conquest of the “Promised Lands” by Joshua has God commanding his chosen people to wipe out all the women and children in the towns after killing the men in the battles. \*Evil usually being defined as they don’t worship me. ---
**Author:** ![dexter8459](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ccd318/32.png) [@dexter8459](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dexter8459)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/72 "2012-12-18T02:20:27Z")
> [@OldGuy](#): > > Though if you read the Old Testament, you’ll find it is full of exactly that. God is forever punishing the children and other descendants of evil\* doers. Most of the conquest of the “Promised Lands” by Joshua has God commanding his chosen people to wipe out all the women and children in the towns after killing the men in the battles. > > \*Evil usually being defined as they don’t worship me. The men had multiple wives and slaves, too. If we go back to the beliefs of our biblical forebears things could get very messy around here. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/73 "2012-12-18T13:08:17Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Have these mass shootings ever led anybody to change their minds about anything, I wonder? Me. I used to buy it when Senator Jim Webb went on about Scotch-Irish Americans and their gun culture and votes for Democrats. But now he’s leaving government and is no longer of any relevance, and I’m just sick from the damn violence and want to see something done about it for a change. ---
**Author:** ![CJJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@CJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CJJ)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/74 "2012-12-18T15:09:29Z")
**How will the Tea Party spin the CT shooting?** From Timothy Birdnow at [Tea Party Nation](http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3355873%3ABlogPost%3A2364503&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post): > [@](#): > > Back in the 1980’s the moral relativism movement gained momentum, and the worst sin was the sin of judgementalism. This murder is the most recent fruit born of that diseased tree. Yes, we have a right, nay a duty, to judge. Evil cannot be ignored or dismissed lightly. That is precisely what we have done. > \<…\> > If people are serious about stopping this sort of thing they will take a number of steps: > > 1. Homeschool. Take away the power of the radicals in the classrooms. Makes your kids safer, too. > > 2.Back Right to Work legislation for the public sector. Teacher’s unions have helped cement much of this in place. As long as we have group think in the classrooms we will never see the end of this. The whole article is a hoot, but for me this really took the prize: > [@](#): > > 9.Support the creation of local organizations to act as “neighborhood watch” for schools. Had George Zimmerman been at the front door instead of some mechanical card reader those children would still be alive. Perhaps it’s time we start asking for volunteers to protect our children. It will require security checks, but isn’t that worth it? This dovetails with the union problem; the unions will fight this measure tooth-and-nail. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/75 "2012-12-18T20:15:58Z")
Well, I thought this was a tasteless idea for a thread. Must we assume that Teapartiers would spin such a horrible tragedy? [I was wrong](http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/local-politics/20121217-texas-gov.-rick-perry-to-speak-at-tarrant-county-tea-party-meeting.ece)… > [@](#): > > NORTH RICHLAND HILLS — Texas Gov. Rick Perry indicated Monday that he supported allowing teachers and administrators to carry concealed handguns in response to the Connecticut school massacre that left 20 children dead. > > Local school districts should decide their own policies, Perry said. But if someone has obtained a concealed-handgun license, he said, “you should be able to carry your handgun anywhere in this state.” He clarified that private property owners should be allowed to impose their own restrictions. > > Perry was asked about calls for stricter gun control laws Monday at a tea party forum in North Richland Hills. Perry said that he believed lawmakers should consider mental health issues as well as ways to make schools safer. > > “It appears that this was a young man who was very disturbed,” Perry said. His mention of mental health issues seems balanced–but not when[the pitiful state of health care in Texas](http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/12991/new-state-of-the-states-report-shows-texas-falling-behind) is concerned. (Not the Connecticut gunman suffered because of poverty, either.) Just how long would one teacher with a handgun & a little gun training last against a well-equipped nutcase? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/76 "2012-12-18T20:17:32Z")
It’s being reported that Rick Synder has decided to veto the law that would have allowed the carrying of concealed weapons in Michigan schools. ---
**Author:** ![PhiloVance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@PhiloVance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhiloVance)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/77 "2012-12-18T20:28:21Z")
TEA party is a way of thinking, rather than an actual political party. If it is really a party, give me the names of their last elections Presidential and Vice Presidential nominees. TEA stands for Taxed Enough Already. Fighting Ignorance since 1973. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/78 "2012-12-18T20:38:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Had George Zimmerman been at the front door instead of some mechanical card reader those children would still be alive. Ah, of course, so the solution to one crazy murderer with a gun is another crazy murderer with a gun. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/79 "2012-12-18T21:00:58Z")
> [@PhiloVance](#): > > TEA stands for Taxed Enough Already. The name Tea Party was being used before anyone said it stood for Taxed Enough Already. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2012, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098/80 "2012-12-18T21:51:08Z")
> [@PhiloVance](#): > > TEA party is a way of thinking . . . No, no. Much too strong a word. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-the-tea-party-spin-the-ct-shooting/644098.md?page=5)