# How will this be enforced? (judge orders Trump administration to abide by his restraining order) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [February 10, 2025, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147 "2025-02-10T19:57:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/161 "2025-02-22T01:02:24Z")
Yeah, except with Trump’s famous proficiency at negotiation he’ll probably end up trading away the Olympic Peninsula for Edmonton. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/162 "2025-02-22T01:12:01Z")
Now, he fired the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/163 "2025-02-22T01:23:30Z")
The Supreme Court says Trump can’t fire the head of the Office of Special Counsel, at least for now. > **[Supreme Court maintains pause on Trump bid to immediately fire watchdog...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-maintains-pause-trump-bid-immediately-fire-watchdog-agen-rcna192643)** > > The Supreme Court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority, weighs in on a case involving the new Trump administration for the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/164 "2025-02-22T02:20:28Z")
Brown is probably relieved. The JCS is really just a senior advisory body to the President and Secretary of Defense with no command authority, and Trump has no use from advice from people who aren’t telling him exactly what he wants to hear. His capricious firing of Linda Fagan (Commandant of the US Coast Guard) was more significant in impacting actual policy given the role the USCG has in enforcing borders and policing territorial waters and inland waterways. When he starts dismissing chiefs and commandants of the Armed Services (probably sometime next week the way things are going) is the time to really start freaking out. I’m guessing Adm Franchetti (Chief of Naval Operations) will be the first to get cut because she is a woman and the US Navy has had so many public issues in the last few years with readiness and accidents. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/165 "2025-02-22T02:32:32Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > I’m guessing Adm Franchetti (Chief of Naval Operations) will be the first to get cut because she is a woman Already happened ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/166 "2025-02-22T02:37:01Z")
Well, fuck…that was quick. Start the freak out, I guess. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/167 "2025-02-22T22:06:30Z")
Apparently the new Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is openly a MAGA Trumpist. But they don’t get political, right? It’s 2025, folks. Not 1975. Catch up. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/168 "2025-02-22T22:31:24Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Apparently the new Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is openly a MAGA Trumpist. But they don’t get political, right? > > It’s 2025, folks. Not 1975. Catch up. You seem to be trying to pick an argument over things I didn’t say or words you are trying to ascribe to me such as “The generals will stop any madness”, which isn’t anywhere in any post I have made in this thread or any other. Please stop. Dan “Razin’” Caine, per the Associated Press article: > _…does not meet the position’s prerequisites, such as being a combatant commander or service chief, as laid out in a 1986 law that does allow a president to waive those requirements._ I’m sure Caine will give Trump the guidance that he wants even if it is bad advice that will result in failed outcomes. I’m also sure that Trump is going to pack the heads of each service with loyalists. But I think he is going to struggle mightily to populate the actual operational commands with loyalists who have adequate experience or any real degree of competence, and the result will be a military that can’t accomplish even his most basic orders. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/169 "2025-02-22T22:39:58Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Apparently the new Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is openly a MAGA Trumpist. I see no evidence for that except: (a) Trump said it. (b) Caine accepted the job. Item (a) above is not really any evidence at all. Anonymous sources are denying Trump’s outrageous claims: [Associated Press](https://apnews.com/article/trump-joint-chiefs-chairman-razin-caine-military-41b3faeaefd4d965dc22b15b0223ec58#) > [@](#): > > Caine has been steadfastly apolitical, a military officer who had served with him and remains close to him said Saturday. > > “Gen. Caine doesn’t have a MAGA hat. He’s never put one on,” said the official, who was not authorized to talk to the media on the record and spoke on condition of anonymity. Item (b) above is troubling. Caine maybe should have refused the job on grounds that the President should pick an existing service branch head, as is normal. But compared to Hegseth and Gabbard, Caine sounds OK. I expect he will follow the law and any court order. (And because of that, he may not last long.) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/170 "2025-02-22T22:41:09Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > I think he is going to struggle mightily to populate the actual operational commands with loyalists who have adequate experience or any real degree of competence, and the result will be a military that can’t accomplish even his most basic orders. Especially if the subordinates being given the orders decide to carry them out as slowly and ineffectually as they can get away with. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2025, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/171 "2025-02-23T15:36:09Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > But compared to Hegseth and Gabbard, Caine sounds OK. Man, the standards are dropping fast. “At least he’s not as bad as a drunk Nazi and a Russian spy!” ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2025, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/172 "2025-02-23T16:10:23Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > he is going to have his hands full getting control over the states, especially as some of those ‘red states’ decide that while they are just dandy with suppressing peoples rights they don’t really like being under Trump and start chaffing his rule I think this is worth repeating. The states, even the red ones, aren’t going to take kindly to Federal usurpation of their power, especially if it’s a sort of despotic, outside-the-lines kind of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2025, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/173 "2025-02-23T21:02:39Z")
What evidence do you have for this as far as the red states go? Red state governors like Abbott and DeSantis have already shown their willingness to roll over for MAGA. The blue state Govs will fight this at every turn but not the ones in red states. That seems about as likely as the GOP Congress not going along like they already have. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2025, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/174 "2025-02-23T22:21:03Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > What evidence do you have for this as far as the red states go? Red state governors like Abbott and DeSantis have already shown their willingness to roll over for MAGA. DeSantis has been on the phone demanding FEMA and federal reconstruction funds every time a hurricane is heading toward the Florida coast. Texas receives over US$105B/yr in federal subsidies and Florida gets almost US$60B/yr. Both states have substantial federal present of federal jobs, with both states hosting major NASA centers (Johnson and Kennedy) as well as a mass contractors that support those centers. Unlike Congresspeople who can kind of divorce themselves by just saying they don’t really have control, governors and statehouse legislatures live and die on the services they provide and infrastructure maintenance they do (or don’t), and losing a metric shitton of good paying jobs is not going to pass unnoticed. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2025, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/175 "2025-02-23T23:44:29Z")
Yeah - it will be interesting to see if they grow a spine when their constituents start complaining. In addition to Stranger’s list - a lot of farmers and ranchers in states w/ few citizens yet 2 senators a piece. I believe Alabama has already been yelping about cuts to their university/health research programs. And, more than anything else, I’m astounded at Congress essentially giving up their power of the purse. Just unprecedented. And I’m not sure for what purpose, other than the narrowest hopes for re-election. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2025, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/176 "2025-02-23T23:51:14Z")
It seems to me that the calculus is: 1. Let him run and try to dodge the bullets come election time if things go South and the country turns on him in a blue wave - which will work for a non-zero and likely significant number. 2. Get MAGAd out in the primary and not even be in the general. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2025, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/177 "2025-02-24T00:02:45Z")
I was shocked, too. But I think they did it did it for a slightly different reason - because they feared not being re-elected if they didn’t give Trump whatever he wanted. Which gives me just a tiny glimmer of hope that they will do what’s right when one of two things becomes apparent . They will realize there it has become impossible to tell whether backing Trump or opposing him will do more damage to their re-election prospects because their constituents are starting to oppose Trump’s actions ( not him- I’ve seen videos of people going on and on about how veterans are being hurt without mentioning the names of the people directing things) . Or they will realize that there is no reason to donate to legislators when they have ceded all of their power to the president. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2025, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/178 "2025-02-24T01:51:34Z")
Any bad things that happen will be blamed on someone other than DJT, preferably with a D after their name. Plus, I expect funding will always be found for any natural disaster or crisis in a red state. Blue states, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![natureboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@natureboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/natureboy)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2025, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/179 "2025-02-24T02:08:45Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > Which gives me just a tiny glimmer of hope that they will do what’s right when one of two things becomes apparent . They will realize there it has become impossible to tell whether backing Trump or opposing him will do more damage to their re-election prospects because their constituents are starting to oppose Trump’s actions ( not him- I’ve seen videos of people going on and on about how veterans are being hurt without mentioning the names of the people directing things) . It’s not just reelection that they think about; there’s a career after the House/Senate. They get to be “advisors” and “consultants”, getting paid substantial sums of money for what and who they know. Losing an election is one thing, but if they switch teams, they’re out of that ecosystem. Then they have to find a real job, and they don’t want to. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2025, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147/180 "2025-02-24T03:35:04Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Plus, I expect funding will always be found for any natural disaster or crisis in a red state. Blue states, not so much. If FEMA is disestablished, who is going to disperse those funds, and more importantly the immediate supplies and emergency response coordination? As dysfunctional as FEMA is, it still provides services that most states (\*cough\*Florida\*cough\*Texas\*cough\*) are not composed to perform. ‘Red’ state legislatures are probably assuming that Trump will favor them without consideration that every single interaction with Trump is purely transactional. If they have nothing to offer him, no aid will be forthcoming. In a sense, Trump is the embodiment of the supposed hyperbole that the Democrats have been warning that Republicans will do for decades. Unfortunately, he’s also managed to eliminate all meaningful ‘guard rails’ to restrain those impulses through any legal or procedural means. Stranger [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-will-this-be-enforced-judge-orders-trump-administration-to-abide-by-his-restraining-order/1014147.md?page=10)