# How would "dumping dismembered body" equal not guilty? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 24, 2003, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-dumping-dismembered-body-equal-not-guilty/209329 "2003-10-24T14:57:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![KAndre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@KAndre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KAndre)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-dumping-dismembered-body-equal-not-guilty/209329/1 "2003-10-24T14:57:04Z")
One of the joys of living in Houston is that fact the Robert Durst tends to make the front page of the Chronicle. I’m almost ashamed to say I haven’t been following it except for the headlines, but comments and statements like > [@](#): > > “I kept going over the situation in my mind, that Morris was shot in the face with my gun in my apartment and that I had rented this apartment disguised as a woman,” Durst testified. “I just didn’t think I would be believed.” and > [@](#): > > Durst told jurors in his murder trial that after he dismembered Black’s body and dumped the parts in Galveston Bay in garbage bags, he returned three times the same day to the dumping site. He said he knew even before police were called to the scene that he had botched the attempt to keep anyone from finding Black’s body parts. would make me say to my lawyer, “Howza 'bout a plea? Huh?” Since he pleaded “Not guilty”, I can’t figure out (and the newspaper doesn’t make clear) what sort of defense he is going for. Can anyone come up with any sort of plausible (or even implausible) defense for this guy? I tend to think that the dismemberment part sort of negates the self-defense part or am I wrong? ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-dumping-dismembered-body-equal-not-guilty/209329/2 "2003-10-24T15:24:30Z")
From what I understand, yes, he’s going for self defense. He claims Morris pointed a gun at his head and acting in self defense he struggled with him to get the gun away but that during the struggle the gun discharged, killing Morris. He then panicked, fearing that the police would not believe his story (for the reasons you mentioned above) and tried to hide his crime by disposing of the body. He’s acknowledged that fact he illegally disposed of a body but is trying to beat the murder rap by claiming that Morris was the instigator/agressor. Personally, I think he’s guilty as sin and offed the guy because of a spat. The self defense scenario looks too conived. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-dumping-dismembered-body-equal-not-guilty/209329/3 "2003-10-24T15:29:27Z")
Excuse me. I said “hide his crime”. What I meant and what he’s going for is “hide his act”, something far different. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-dumping-dismembered-body-equal-not-guilty/209329/4 "2003-10-24T15:50:21Z")
Links? ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-dumping-dismembered-body-equal-not-guilty/209329/5 "2003-10-24T16:07:48Z")
Self defense or accident wouldn’t be negated by the dismemberment as a matter of law, although it would probably be a lot easier to prove self defense or accident had he, say, called the cops. All he has to prove is that he was in reasonable fear for his life when he killed the guy, or that it was the result of an accident from struggling for the gun. The dismemberment part can explained with “I thought nobody would believe me and I panicked”, if he can get a jury to buy it. Or on preview, what **lieu** said. Stupid hamsters! [Linky-Loo](http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-fugitive-heir,0,3892416.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines) ---
**Author:** ![KAndre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@KAndre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KAndre)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-dumping-dismembered-body-equal-not-guilty/209329/6 "2003-10-24T17:26:03Z")
Sorry, the article I was quote from is my [local paper](http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/topstory/2176211). Would the defense bring up something like “Self defense or accident wouldn’t be negated by the dismemberment as a matter of law” in jury selection? Maybe I would just make a bad juror, because once he said “I thought nobody would believe me and I panicked” came out of his mouth, “Yeah, right” would come out of mine. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-dumping-dismembered-body-equal-not-guilty/209329/7 "2003-10-24T17:49:54Z")
I have no trouble believing that some-one could panic and try to hide a body. But\* dismembering\* it? Nope, not buying that; I have trouble dismembering a dead plucked chicken. Why did he rent the apartment disquises as a woman? ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-dumping-dismembered-body-equal-not-guilty/209329/8 "2003-10-24T18:59:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by j66 \* > \*\*I have no trouble believing that some-one could panic and try to hide a body. > > But\* dismembering\* it? Nope, not buying that; \*\* Exactly. Panicking and rolling up someone in the carpet I could understand. But dismembering implies cold bloodedness, malice and planning. Self defense is the one thing that could get him off. I think his story has been manipulated to fit that defense. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-dumping-dismembered-body-equal-not-guilty/209329/9 "2003-10-25T04:53:22Z")
oh, I remember this case now; it’s just going to trial now? It pays to be rich.