# How would Right Wingers feel about arming illegal immigrants? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 19, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-right-wingers-feel-about-arming-illegal-immigrants/838911 "2019-08-19T22:56:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-right-wingers-feel-about-arming-illegal-immigrants/838911/41 "2019-08-20T14:32:35Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > Okay first of all, lets clarify this for you buddy. Most of the undocumented people were not declassified to the federal governemnt. You following me bud? Okay now what happens when the feds cant get their hands on current undocuments, they resort older undocumented cases. They start deporting people who’ve been in this country since they were a fucking infant and deport them to countries they’ve never been to or know anything about. This is to meet a federal quota set by the Trump admin. > > Second of all, this has 0 to do with enforcing legitimate immigration law. Mass rounding up fucking people, especially when you get dozens if not hundreds of legal US citizens involved is by all right wing standards an act of tyranny. What part of fucking federal agents raiding your god damn community does not trigger the right wing notion of big government overstepping thei rfucking boundaries to you? > > Third, do you want to be specific? Are we just talking about the cases of people who been in this country for 40+ years, or people who served our god damn military being deported? What exactly are we talking about here. Are we talking about asylum seekers being illegally punished for seeking asylum? You need to be specific, i expect you to reply. You realize that the US has more immigrants than any other country on the planet? You realize that every other country has borders that they enforce? If THAT is tyranny then the word has lost meaning. Wow arresting 100 when 10,000,000 or so are here ‘undocumentably’? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-right-wingers-feel-about-arming-illegal-immigrants/838911/42 "2019-08-20T14:41:11Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > The bill of rights apply to all persons including illegals. The 2nd amendment does apply, as well as the 1st, third, fourth, and so on. This is not true in a blanket sense. Some rights apply to citizens and some don’t. The right to a fair trial clearly applies to anyone; the 15th Amendment rather unambiguously only applies to citizens. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-right-wingers-feel-about-arming-illegal-immigrants/838911/43 "2019-08-20T14:44:29Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Maybe not arresting someone until they have reasonable suspicion. … I suspect that’s exactly what they did. If not, I’m sure the ACLU has an army lawyers ready to set them straight. “Reasonable suspicion” or “probable cause” doesn’t mean they’re going to get it right all the time. Some innocent people will get arrested. It happens. ---
**Author:** ![Wrenching\_Spanners](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecb155/32.png) [@Wrenching\_Spanners](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wrenching_Spanners)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-right-wingers-feel-about-arming-illegal-immigrants/838911/44 "2019-08-20T14:44:38Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > Let’s see dozens of federal agents get shot dead in the streets and see how fast fox news goes to turn against firearms and arming those in need of protection. > > And yes, I was actually thinking M16s would be better than ARs since theyr e more powerful but obviosuly since ARs are more popular than M16s And no I dont think thats a good idea. What relationship does liberalism, socialism, and globalism have in the conversation about pointing out the right wingers would be anti-gun if we armed illegal immigrants to fend of federal agents? Please explain because I see 0 correlation in the two topics, please stay on track here. You misunderstand me. I’m supporting your proposal. I think liberal enclaves that declare themselves sanctuary cities are the perfect spot to park illegal aliens who are awaiting deportation. I’m not necessarily in favour of arming them, but your eruditeness and articulateness have convinced me it’s worth a try. I just think it’s worthwhile to have the immigrants try to integrate into their new temporary communities. I’m sure there are learned scholars who’ve developed gender neutral vocabularies for the various languages these immigrants speak as their native languages. I want to give these scholars the opportunity to impart their wisdom upon these masses of immigrants. Don’t you believe that liberalism is a positive virtue? Shouldn’t that virtue be spread to the immigrants whether they like it or not? I just want to know how you’d like the weapons to be managed during the immigrants’ education. Of course they should they bring them if they want to – 2nd amendment right? But is it okay if they leave the weapons with their new liberal neighbours or should possession be mandatory? As for conflict with federal agents, surely spending time among beacon-like advocates of peace will convince the immigrants of the value of non-violence. Right-on, yes? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-right-wingers-feel-about-arming-illegal-immigrants/838911/45 "2019-08-20T14:54:29Z")
> [@](#): > > So I have an apparently not so crazy idea, since the 2nd amendment is suppose to be in place so we can fend off a tyrannical government, what if we gave firearms to the people who apparently need them the most, illegals. Ah, another crazy idea from you. This should be fun…and I have the popcorn all ready to go! > [@](#): > > So bare with me here, the idea most right wing gun nuts and some 2nd amendment advocates have is that if the Government came into our community, started mass rounding people up, and throwing them in cages, we would stand up and defend ourselves. An idea that is usually given quite a bit of derision on this board, which makes it a bit ironic that you are making it here with very few right wing gun nuts about. > [@](#): > > This is an idea that I’ve heard from virtually everyone who’s pro gun or pro 2nd amendment. Now considering this, shouldn’t we be arming the illegals so they can protect themselves from the feds coming and snatching them up? No. It’s not only a crazy but a stupid idea. This is like saying that drug dealers, being oppressed by the government because they are trying to exercise their livelihood, should be armed to resist the police and protect their right to deal drugs or do other illegal stuff. Illegal immigrants to this country are illegal…they are breaking the law. Rounding them up is only an example of tyranny of the government in a similar way that any police activity is when they ‘round up’ criminals. All you would manage to do is get more people killed for little or no reason, other than to make some obscure point about the right of the ‘people’ to keep and bare arms means non-citizens too…which is technically true, though not to the same extent that full US citizens do. > [@](#): > > So let’s say a saunctuary city or state decides to arm every illegal immigrant. We give them AR15s, body armor, and thousands of mags. How would the right respond to this? 😛 I’d be more interested in how the left would respond to such a preposterous notion. The right? My guess is left, right and center would be against it and think whoever was advocating this was nuts. What would be the point in arming and equipping illegal immigrants as if they were para-military units to fight…what? The majority of the US? To what end? Do you WANT illegals to be seen as dangerous, armed invaders, fighting the country they are in and killing police and military (and gods know who else)? What do you think THAT will do for the perception of illegal immigrants in the US? Think this is going to make everyone have warm and fuzzy thoughts about them?? :smack: > [@](#): > > Maybe I’m wrong, and most right wingers will love this and then fox news will air segments praising them for being armed to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. Well, there isn’t really any doubt you are wrong, and on a lot of different levels. The real question is, why would you even think this might be a good idea? Who do you think, on any political side, would support such crazy crap? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-right-wingers-feel-about-arming-illegal-immigrants/838911/46 "2019-08-20T15:07:07Z")
There seems to be a widespread misconception that taking the Second Amendment literally would mean that any minority (down to a population of one) could use armed force to demand anything they want. This completely ignores the counter-balance of everyone else who is armed. Guns allow a hopelessly outnumbered minority to put a higher price on their lives; _possibly_ enough in some circumstances to make the majority reconsider if initiating conflict is worth it. Otherwise it’s simply a way of taking some of the bastards with you as you die. An armed populace was originally intended to be the popular vote of last resort. Given that police and National Guardsmen represent just the small percentage of citizens who choose to make putting down armed resisters their vocation or hobby, no movement that can’t resist that tiny fraction of the _posse comitatus_ has any hope at all. That said, I can actually see the validity of every undocumented (“illegal”) immigrant having a handgun. When facing arrest they would have a choice: surrender peacefully, or commit suicide by cop. It would indeed make the Feds reconsider whether it was worth it; or if it escalated to open war the immigrants get killed or taken prisoner. In a purely libertarian sense, the problem gets solved one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-right-wingers-feel-about-arming-illegal-immigrants/838911/47 "2019-08-20T15:25:22Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > Do not conflate criminals with undocumented immigrants. Tired of seeing this kind of nonsense posts by you. You’re the one calling people illegals. And, at least as far as this thread is convcerned, you’re the one posting nonsense. > [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > Also what the FUCK do you think a god damn militia is? Are you going to report me for using vulgar language to express this fucking point. Let me drill this into your head because you’ve specific repeatedly used this intellectual dishonestly. You can be a private citizen, and you can be sold privately arms. Militias often distribute arms among themselves. Where is this happening? I haven’t heard of any private militias that are arming their members. But even if they are, it doesn’t address the point I made. You proposed having the government provide arms to a private “militia” - which I’m sure is not being done. Putting that aside, in what way would this proposal produce a militia? Would you be organizing the people that you’ve armed into some kind of paramilitary unit? It’s difficult to see why the government would want to arm a group that you say is intended to fight against that same government. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-right-wingers-feel-about-arming-illegal-immigrants/838911/48 "2019-08-20T15:32:18Z")
> [@XT](#): > > I’d be more interested in how the left would respond to such a preposterous notion. The right? My guess is left, right and center would be against it and think whoever was advocating this was nuts. What would be the point in arming and equipping illegal immigrants as if they were para-military units to fight…what? The majority of the US? To what end? Do you WANT illegals to be seen as dangerous, armed invaders, fighting the country they are in and killing police and military (and gods know who else)? What do you think THAT will do for the perception of illegal immigrants in the US? Think this is going to make everyone have warm and fuzzy thoughts about them?? I’m still trying to figure out who the OP is trying to trigger. Is he trying to upset liberals by throwing around terms like illegals and suggesting we should be creating a Second Amendment militia? Is he trying to upset conservatives by calling for a massive government giveaway program to arm minorities? Is this supposed to be some kind of “modest proposal” to ridicule the other side? If so, what is the other side? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-right-wingers-feel-about-arming-illegal-immigrants/838911/49 "2019-08-20T15:42:54Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Serious question, what if you, or your spouse, or your kid worked at one of those places and got rounded up, riot cuffed and put in a detention center for a few days until it was your turn to get processed, at which point they (hopefully) believe that you’re a US Citizen and release you? They don’t acknowledge this. They imagine that there are two groups of people living in the country; Real Americans, who the country belongs to and who have rights, and the Others, who don’t belong here and have no rights. So it’s okay for the government to round up the Others and put them in camps. But that kind of thing would never happen to Real Americans. Unless, of course, the Others take over the country. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-right-wingers-feel-about-arming-illegal-immigrants/838911/50 "2019-08-20T15:46:09Z")
Rants go in the Pit. This thread is closed. I’ll review the rest in a bit. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-right-wingers-feel-about-arming-illegal-immigrants/838911/51 "2019-08-20T16:08:04Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > Do not conflate criminals with undocumented immigrants. Tired of seeing this kind of nonsense posts by you. > > Also what the FUCK do you think a god damn militia is? Are you going to report me for using vulgar language to express this fucking point. Let me drill this into your head because you’ve specific repeatedly used this intellectual dishonestly. You can be a private citizen, and you can be sold privately arms. Militias often distribute arms among themselves. You’ve clearly taken the point of this thread out of context to further your own personal narrative. In no way, am I saying someone whos been criminalized is now an illegal, LAst I checked the federal government does not go around revoking peoples citizenship. > [@Barack\_Obama](#): > > I honestly dont think there is a single fucking thing you have to say in good faith. This is a warning for personal insults generally, and accusing other posters of lying more specifically. Both of the above two posts are warnable, but I’m feeling generous so I’ll pick the first one, though most of your contributions to this thread are riding the line of appropriateness. It could also be a warning for unhinged hostility, but there isn’t a radio button for that so I’ll have to make do. If you want to do this impression of a crazy person ranting, the Pit is probably a better option. [/moderating] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-right-wingers-feel-about-arming-illegal-immigrants/838911.md?page=2)