# How would Trump's muslim ban be implemented? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 11, 2016, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550 "2016-05-11T14:54:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/1 "2016-05-11T14:54:08Z")
Set aside the political/moral indignity associated with this plan, and help me understand how it would actually be implemented. Muslims are adherents of the Islamic religion. They are not a race or an ethnic background. So if President Trump via an executive order places a ban on all foreign muslims from entering the US. There are countries that where the state religion is Islam, so I suppose that citizens of those countries could be barred entry. These would include: Afghanistan Bangladesh Iran Malaysia Pakistan Saudi Arabia But there are a number of other countries were Islam is widely practiced. Passports do not include religious status, so how are these people banned? Seems impossible to carry out the order. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/2 "2016-05-11T14:55:07Z")
It’s just bluster. It would never be implemented, partially for the reason you stated. It would be impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/3 "2016-05-11T15:02:11Z")
There’s also a concept in Islam called [taqiya](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya), which allows Muslims to lie about their religion if they believe that they will be persecuted because of it. Apparently Trump wants to set up a [comission](http://fortune.com/2016/05/11/trump-may-ask-rudy-giuliani-to-study-muslim-ban/) “possibly headed” by Giuliani to study the policy, which should be easy, a piece of paper with the word NO written on it. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/4 "2016-05-11T16:38:05Z")
So much blind hatred and ignorance. > [@](#): > > So many people die annually from gunfire in the US that the death toll between 1968 and 2011 eclipses all wars ever fought by the country. According to research by Politifact, there were about 1.4 million firearm deaths in that period, compared with 1.2 million US deaths in every conflict from the War of Independence to Iraq. > **[Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604)** > > As Barack Obama vows to introduce new gun control measures via executive action, here is a look at some of the statistics behind America's problem with gun violence. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/5 "2016-05-11T16:49:52Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > There’s also a concept in Islam called [taqiya](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya), which allows Muslims to lie about their religion if they believe that they will be persecuted because of it. Apparently Trump wants to set up a [comission](http://fortune.com/2016/05/11/trump-may-ask-rudy-giuliani-to-study-muslim-ban/) “possibly headed” by Giuliani to study the policy, which should be easy, a piece of paper with the word NO written on it. Since even Giuliani knows this is unconstitutional, that is what would be written. And of course there are Christians in Islamic countries and Muslims in Christian countries, and I’d guess that European passports, at least, don’t have religion on them. The numero uno problem - it would keep Richard Thompson from coming here to do concerts. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/6 "2016-05-11T16:59:21Z")
It could not be implemented. That won’t stop Trump from saying it, however. That kind of insanity is actually getting him lots of votes. God bless America. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![boffking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@boffking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boffking)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/7 "2016-05-11T17:45:46Z")
SCOTUS would strike it down as unconstitutional. There is no way it could be implemented. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/8 "2016-05-11T17:54:39Z")
Trump is a moron and doesn’t like to think too hard. If he seriously tried it, it would be implemented inelegantly and with too many false positives. Start with banning travel from Muslim-y countries, basically any country in the Mid-East except Israel. Nobody named Mohammed is getting in. Then someone will tell Trump that actually, Indonesia has the highest number of Muslims of any country in the world, so he’ll quickly move to try and ban travel from there, except for the “obvious” Asians. You see, Trump is not a smart man, and he doesn’t like nuance like many Republicans. But he also knows his audience, so he’ll go with his gut feeling or “common” sense that the lowest common denominator feels is “street smarts”. You can travel from Indonesia, he’d say, if you’re obviously not Muslim, so don’t wear a turban or burqa (he doesn’t know the difference between headscarves), don’t have a Muslim-y name, and don’t speak any Arabic. After the inevitable riots, civil unrest, and impeachment, the bans will be lifted and we can go back to being normal again. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/9 "2016-05-11T18:01:50Z")
And no [differential equations!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=792480) ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/10 "2016-05-11T18:05:02Z")
Didn’t he claim that this ban would be temporary until we figured … something … out? Or looked into … something? Just what was the something that needed to be figured out or looked at? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/11 "2016-05-11T18:10:10Z")
He said that it would be temporary “until we figure out what is going on”. Personally, I’m trying to figure out what’s going on with Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/12 "2016-05-11T18:13:02Z")
I would love to know what’s going on. Is Trump going to put Top Men on that? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/13 "2016-05-11T18:23:39Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I would love to know what’s going on. Is Trump going to put Top Men on that? I imagine it’s the same top men he sent to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate, assuming that they’ve finished finding all of those amazing things that Trump said they had. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/14 "2016-05-11T18:27:53Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I imagine it’s the same top men he sent to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate, assuming that they’ve finished finding all of those amazing things that Trump said they had. It’s all part of the same investigation. Once he proves that Obama is a foreign Muslim, he’ll throw him out of the country! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/15 "2016-05-11T18:43:10Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > So much blind hatred and ignorance. > > [Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence - BBC News](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604) You need to read that Politfact cite. > **[PBS commentator Mark Shields says more killed by guns since '68 than in all...](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2013/jan/18/mark-shields/pbs-commentator-mark-shields-says-more-killed-guns/)** > > Since the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., supporters and opponents of gun control have \*We should note that these figures refer to all gun-fire related deaths – not just homicides, but also suicides and accidental deaths. In 2011, about one-quarter of firearm-related deaths were homicides, according to FBI and CDC data. Using total firearm-related deaths makes the case against guns more dramatic than just using homicides alone. - So “all US wars” =1,171,177 Gun murders: about 350000. Deaths caused by smoking about 17,200,000 (during that 43 year period) Tobacco has killed more Americans than war ten times over. Tobacco has killed more Americans than gun murders FIFTY times over. (and that’s just for four decades of smoking). ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/16 "2016-05-11T18:53:49Z")
When we interned the Japanese into camps we made the Chinese wear buttons saying “I am Chinese”. I wonder if us Hindus are going to get issued buttons saying “I am Hindu”. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/17 "2016-05-11T18:56:51Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > When we interned the Japanese into camps we made the Chinese wear buttons saying “I am Chinese”. > > I wonder if us Hindus are going to get issued buttons saying “I am Hindu”. Unfortunately, there are people who still won’t know the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/18 "2016-05-11T18:58:59Z")
Same as last time, then. 'MURICA! ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/19 "2016-05-11T19:01:14Z")
> [@boffking](#): > > SCOTUS would strike it down as unconstitutional. There is no way it could be implemented. Care to elaborate how this would be unconstitutional? Non-citizens of the US are not protected by the US constitution. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550/20 "2016-05-11T19:08:29Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Care to elaborate how this would be unconstitutional? Non-citizens of the US are not protected by the US constitution. I’ll see if I can find the links but it had something to do with not establishing religion. There were article on both sides so in all likelihood, the SCOTUS would have to weigh in if this ever happened. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-trumps-muslim-ban-be-implemented/754550.md?page=2)