# Howard Schultz considers run; urged against. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 27, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511 "2019-01-27T23:58:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/201 "2019-02-01T02:45:13Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I remember two years ago when many liberals were brimming with confidence that after a few years of President Trump, the Republican brand would be so badly damaged that there was NO WAY he could win again, and that Republicans would have to hang their heads in shame, beg for forgiveness, etc. Do you now see how wildly off-base those predictions were? Yes, two years ago we still thought that Republicans could feel shame over doing terrible things. You proved us wrong. It’s just like three years ago when we thought you guys wouldn’t be stupid enough to actually vote for Trump. You proved us wrong that time too. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/202 "2019-02-01T04:07:50Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > What does “left” mean to you, anyway? What typifies someone who is demonstrably left-of-center (for some version of “center” you wish to define)? My senator Amy Klobuchar is left of center. Not nearly as far left as AOC or Bernie Sanders, but she’s pragmatically on the right side of history and common sense, which is to say the center-left side. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/203 "2019-02-01T07:19:23Z")
Well, I was asking about principles, not persons, but I’ll skim Klo’s wiki page. ---
**Author:** ![Ancient\_Erudite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Ancient\_Erudite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Erudite)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/204 "2019-02-01T11:45:25Z")
It seems like Howard Shultz has been dominating the news lately. In most cases, extra attention and press in a political race is a good thing, and Howard is getting exactly that. He’s more of a moderate Democratic, finding himself under assault from factions of the far left. ---
**Author:** ![Ancient\_Erudite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Ancient\_Erudite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Erudite)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/205 "2019-02-01T11:47:19Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Yes, two years ago we still thought that Republicans could feel shame over doing terrible things. You proved us wrong. > > It’s just like three years ago when we thought you guys wouldn’t be stupid enough to actually vote for Trump. You proved us wrong that time too. Who nominated Hillary Clinton to run against him? That would be the party you voted for, so please assign stupidity where it belongs. Many people felt Trump was the better of two bad choices. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/206 "2019-02-01T11:49:56Z")
> [@Ancient\_Erudite](#): > > Who nominated Hillary Clinton to run against him? That would be the party you voted for, so please assign stupidity where it belongs. > > Many people felt Trump was the better of two bad choices. Many people were wrong in ways that were painfully obvious to those of us who were paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/207 "2019-02-01T12:46:15Z")
> [@Ancient\_Erudite](#): > > It seems like Howard Shultz has been dominating the news lately. I’m not even sure he’s dominating this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/208 "2019-02-01T13:01:01Z")
> [@Ancient\_Erudite](#): > > Who nominated Hillary Clinton to run against him? That would be the party you voted for, so please assign stupidity where it belongs. Oh, we have. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/209 "2019-02-01T13:09:02Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Yes, two years ago we still thought that Republicans could feel shame over doing terrible things. You proved us wrong. > > It’s just like three years ago when we thought you guys wouldn’t be stupid enough to actually vote for Trump. You proved us wrong that time too. I haven’t made that mistake since the '16 election and I won’t be making it again in the future. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/210 "2019-02-01T20:32:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Why wouldn’t we be? He won 2 years ago. It’d be terrifying if there was a 1% chance he could be reelected… and the chances are a lot higher than that. I’m not sure the chances are a LOT higher (538 today has a piece about how half of voters say they will “definitely” not vote for him, with others saying “probably” not), but I agree with the sentiment about 1% still being terrifyingly high. > [@Lemur866](#): > > Dude. Trump is very likely to lose, and lose big, in 2020. He’s a very unpopular president. > > He could still win though. That is why I will oppose anyone who supports him. > > I have a fire extinguisher and a smoke alarm in my house, and if you came into my house and smashed my smoke alarm and threw away my fire extinguisher I’d be fucking pissed off. Does that mean I think it’s likely that my house will catch fire tomorrow? No it doesn’t. But stay the fuck away from my fucking smoke alarm. Cosigned. > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I mean, if your only point is that many liberals tend to vacillate between irrational overconfidence and irrational pessimism, cheerfully granted. Agreed. Puts me to mind of this awesome SNL video poking fun at nervous-Nellie Dems (and I was one of them!): [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/OdNNjCHGixE/maxresdefault.jpg "Midterm Ad - SNL") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdNNjCHGixE) ETA: I do think there’s reason to be nervous, as I’ve said before, about the huge vote totals (for a midterm cycle) Republican House candidates racked up this past November. Democrats won a big victory because our side picked up its turnout by an even more massive amount, but that’s sort of like winning a football game because your QB got hot and threw five TD passes to win a shootout 53-48. You still worry about your defense and feel uneasy going into the rematch, not sure if you can keep it up on the offensive end. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/211 "2019-02-02T00:30:43Z")
Paul Krugman had an interesting discussion in today’s Times. Not only would this help Trump enormously, but he discussed why Schultz’s policy positions would be poor. He is, for example, obsessed with debt and would reduce the deficit. By raising taxes on the wealthy? Don’t be silly. By cutting social security and medicare. Although Krugman doesn’t say so, I can guess that he is a supply sider who believes that a rising tide lifts all boats. It lifts all yachts, for sure, but swamps all the rowboats. Here is a link: [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/31/opinion/howard-schultz-president.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/31/opinion/howard-schultz-president.html). Here is a sample quote: > [@](#): > > Schultz, however, still declares debt our biggest problem. Yet true to centrist form, his deficit concerns are oddly selective. Bowles and Simpson, charged with proposing a solution to deficits, listed as their first principle … reducing tax rates. Sure enough, Schultz is all into cutting Social Security, but opposes any tax hike on the wealthy. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/212 "2019-02-02T00:41:24Z")
Seen on FB: “The slow reveal that every under-employed billionaire is “pondering” running for president is like the end of the episode where the camera pans under the floor and reveals all the OTHER egg sacs.” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/213 "2019-02-02T18:53:53Z")
Schultz called Elizabeth Warren “Fauxcahontas” and said Kamala Harris is “shrill”. > **[Schultz deletes tweet of column calling Warren ‘Fauxcahontas’ and Harris...](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/427750-schultz-deletes-tweet-of-column-calling-warren-fauxcahontas-and-harris/)** > > Howard Schultz, the former Starbucks CEO who has floated an independent run at the White House, deleted a tweet Wednesday in which he praised a column that insulted other 2020 contenders.In the now… ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/214 "2019-02-02T19:27:43Z")
Guess he’s figured that without any Dem-leaners going to vote for him, he needs to appeal to the Trumpsters? In the words of the great philosopher Bugs Bunny, “What a maroon.” ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/215 "2019-02-02T20:05:44Z")
MRAs, redpillers, and the idiots who went from Bernie to Trump. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/216 "2019-02-02T20:28:23Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Schultz called Elizabeth Warren “Fauxcahontas” and said Kamala Harris is “shrill”. He tweeted a link to a column in which the author said those things. Schultz himself did not say those things. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/217 "2019-02-02T21:48:07Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Seen on FB: > > “The slow reveal that every under-employed billionaire is “pondering” running for president is like the end of the episode where the camera pans under the floor and reveals all the OTHER egg sacs.” That is awesome. (And way too apt.) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/218 "2019-02-02T21:54:46Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Schultz called Elizabeth Warren “Fauxcahontas” and said Kamala Harris is “shrill”. > [https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/427750-schultz-deletes-tweet-of-column-calling-warren-fauxcahontas-and-harris](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/427750-schultz-deletes-tweet-of-column-calling-warren-fauxcahontas-and-harris) > [@RickJay](#): > > He tweeted a link to a column in which the author said those things. Schultz himself did not say those things. No matter how counter-productive his economic policy proposals may be, Schultz knows that among those who will NOT vote for Trump is a sizable contingent of “Never-Ladyparts”\* voters. This may include lifelong Democrats as well as Independents and more-traditional (i.e. Trump-averse) Republicans—voters for whom the prospect of a female in the Oval Office is absolutely, unequivocally _terrifying_. Schultz, with that re-tweet, is clearly calling to those who believe that a female candidate—whether for President or for Veep—is intolerable. He’s going for the “she makes me scared in my pee-pee place” voter. And he may do well thereby. \*Or was it “Ladypants”? …used earlier in this subforum and I don’t care to research it. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/219 "2019-02-03T02:14:06Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > He’s going for the “she makes me scared in my pee-pee place” voter. And he may do well thereby. There’s never going to _be_ a campaign. This is a ruse to sell his book. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/220 "2019-02-03T22:49:26Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > There’s never going to _be_ a campaign. This is a ruse to sell his book. If there had been enthusiastic and vocal support for Schultz manifest in the days after his announcement, I bet you there _would_ have been a serious campaign. He has the cash to get on the ballot in all the states, and if things continued to go well, could have counted on donations from his fellow-one-percenters. But as things turned out: yeah, at this point, probably just the book. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511.md?page=12)