# Howard Schultz considers run; urged against. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 27, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511 "2019-01-27T23:58:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/301 "2019-02-08T17:35:08Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > And obviously the “Third Option” is record breaking budget deficits. We can fund tax cuts for the super rich by borrowing more money from China, I’m sure it will work out great. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Think harder. Yeah! There are _lots_ of countries out there we could borrow from to fund tax cuts for the 1%-of-1%ers! ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/302 "2019-02-08T17:42:21Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > CNN has been a disgrace for quite some time now. And 70% is more than just “a little more”. I’m sure that they stay up at night regretting the loss of your respect. Also, 70% is marginal and will apply to [fewer than 4,000 taxpayers](https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2017), the vast majority of whom will notice a hit of 1 million or less to their take home pay under her plan. I’m not expecting to serve them in the food lines anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/303 "2019-02-08T17:48:33Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > I’m sure that they stay up at night regretting the loss of your respect. … I think it’s a good bit more likely that they gave up entirely on the idea of being a respectable news organization some time ago. > [@DMC](#): > > … Also, 70% is marginal and will apply to [fewer than 4,000 taxpayers](https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2017), the vast majority of whom will notice a hit of 1 million or less to their take home pay under her plan. I’m not expecting to serve them in the food lines anytime soon. “fewer than 4,000 taxpayers, the vast majority of whom will notice a hit of 1 million or less to their take home pay” does not pay for much of a “Green New Deal”. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/304 "2019-02-08T17:50:38Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Nate Silver says a guy like Schultz could divide the pro Trump vote instead of hurting a Democrat > > good explanation here: > > [Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative Voters Preferred Trump In 2016 | FiveThirtyEight](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/socially-liberal-fiscally-conservative-voters-preferred-trump-in-2016/) > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Which candidate do you think those 15% supported in the last (Presidential) election? > [@JohnT](#): > > Trump. It says so in the article. Did you not read it? I mean, the headline itself says: Still want to know if you even bothered to click the link, Ditka. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/305 "2019-02-08T18:01:48Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Still want to know if you even bothered to click the link, Ditka. Not until today. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/306 "2019-02-08T18:04:28Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “fewer than 4,000 taxpayers, the vast majority of whom will notice a hit of 1 million or less to their take home pay” does not pay for much of a “Green New Deal”. I wasn’t aware that she had ever stated that the Green New Deal would be fully funded by this taxation scheme, nor do I see it outlined that way in the actual text of the [proposal (PDF)](https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5729033/Green-New-Deal-FINAL.pdf). Can you point me to a cite where she makes this claim? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/307 "2019-02-08T18:12:05Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > I wasn’t aware that she had ever stated that the Green New Deal would be fully funded by this taxation scheme, nor do I see it outlined that way in the actual text of the [proposal (PDF)](https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5729033/Green-New-Deal-FINAL.pdf). Can you point me to a cite where she makes this claim? I didn’t say “fully” funded, but this is where I got the idea that she wanted to use the 70% tax rate on the rich to fund the “Green New Deal” from: > [@](#): > > [Should the richest Americans pay a 70% marginal tax rate? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the 29-year-old New Yorker who recently became the youngest Congresswoman in history, says it’s worth considering. > > In a highly publicized interview with Anderson Cooper on 60 Minutes, Ocasio-Cortez, who is often known on the Internet by the nickname “AOC,” embraced her characterization as a radical, said that there’s “no question” President Donald Trump is a racist, and called for a wide range of ambitious progressive causes that might be paid for with significantly higher taxes on the rich. > > The so-called Green New Deal that Ocasio-Cortez and other Democratic upstarts are backing include lofty — and expensive — goals like achieving universal health care and converting every facet of the U.S. economy to renewable sources of energy in 12 years. And how might America pay for programs like these? One possibility that Ocasio-Cortez raised is for the U.S. to have significantly higher taxes on the rich — including tax rates upwards of 70% — and that the country needs the wealthiest people today “to start paying their fair share in taxes.” …]([http://money.com/money/5495760/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-70-percent-tax-rate-rich/](http://money.com/money/5495760/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-70-percent-tax-rate-rich/)) ETA: FWIW, I don’t see much of anything in the “actual text of the proposal” about how to pay for it. Did I just miss it? Or is it not there? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/308 "2019-02-08T18:21:47Z")
]Thank you for your honesty. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2019, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/309 "2019-02-09T10:34:17Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > I’m sure that they stay up at night regretting the loss of your respect. > > Also, 70% is marginal and will apply to [fewer than 4,000 taxpayers](https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2017), the vast majority of whom will notice a hit of 1 million or less to their take home pay under her plan. I’m not expecting to serve them in the food lines anytime soon. Okay, but how many pay 60 percent, or 50? ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/310 "2019-06-13T16:52:28Z")
He’s not going to work on running this summer due to back surgery. At least for now all the worries he’s going to help Trump are on hold if not over for good. > **[Howard Schultz cuts staff and takes the summer off from exploring...](https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/politics/howard-schultz-summer-off-recover-surgeries/index.html)** > > Howard Schultz said Wednesday he is taking the summer off from exploring a potential run for the presidency in order to recover after undergoing three back surgeries. A source close to the former Starbucks CEO says there have been staff reductions on... ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/311 "2019-06-13T16:56:15Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > He’s not going to work on running this summer due to back surgery. At least for now all the worries he’s going to help Trump are on hold if not over for good. > > [https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/politics/howard-schultz-summer-off-recover-surgeries/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/politics/howard-schultz-summer-off-recover-surgeries/index.html) The conspiracy theorist in me believes Schultz would only consider running to prevent Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren from winning. As long as Biden remains in the front runner’s position, Schultz will probably stay home. Schultz knows who and what Biden is. It’s a Sanders presidency that he’s against. He’s probably not the only billionaire willing to sabotage an election if the Democratic Socialists win. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/312 "2019-06-13T17:10:22Z")
He can certainly get back in the race next year after the Dem candidate is pretty much known. He has plenty of money to fund drives to get on the ballot in all 50 states. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/313 "2019-06-13T19:13:39Z")
I think billionaires see Trump as potentially worse for their net worth than even Bernie or Warren. The Kochs, for instance, are clearly alarmed by his protectionist trade policy. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/314 "2019-06-13T22:50:07Z")
I think he’s probably seen the writing on the wall, but his arrogance can’t let him admit to how unpopular he is. I hope he stays away. Go back to your private life Mr. Schultz. I liked you better when I hardly knew ya. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/315 "2019-06-15T13:13:54Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I think billionaires see Trump as potentially worse for their net worth than even Bernie or Warren. The Kochs, for instance, are clearly alarmed by his protectionist trade policy. So as a result, have they pulled funding from the numerous far-right propaganda outlets that are aiming to get Trump re-elected? I think I would have noticed. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2019, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/316 "2019-06-15T13:26:10Z")
Yeah, if there’s one thing I’m picking up in the electorate, entitled billionaires aren’t having a growth-in-popularity moment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511.md?page=15)