# Howard Schultz considers run; urged against. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 27, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511 "2019-01-27T23:58:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/41 "2019-01-28T18:50:34Z")
Dunmo why I expected an answer, tbh. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/42 "2019-01-28T19:06:52Z")
Little Nemo: > [@](#): > > A businessman with no political experience becoming President. > > I don’t know why but I get a bad feeling about that. Michael Bloomberg did pretty well as mayor of NYC. It’s not President of the USA, but it’s still a pretty darned big government to run. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/43 "2019-01-28T19:38:05Z")
NYC has more people than 39 states so mayor of NYC is like being governor of a large state. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/44 "2019-01-28T19:46:59Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > If he wishes to enter politics, he should run for mayor, Congress, state legislature, etc., not president. Where’s the +10 button (for when a +1 button is just not enough)? ---
**Author:** ![Linden\_Arden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@Linden\_Arden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linden_Arden)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/45 "2019-01-28T19:49:39Z")
If Democrats run a Bernie Sanders type I would have to vote for Howard Schultz. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/46 "2019-01-28T20:03:24Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > Seems to me like he has substantially different problems than Perot had, starting with lack of a constituency. He’s probably going to be pretty popular with the Kremlin disinformation bot constituency. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/47 "2019-01-28T20:09:12Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > No, a CEO answers to the stockholders. Even more basic business knowledge. Yes it is more basic, perhaps we should elevate your understanding of the firm. That’s like saying the president is accountable to the electoral college. This is what some would call a pedantic understanding, but not a practical understanding. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/48 "2019-01-28T20:13:23Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > if Trump is so awful the Dems should be able to beat him even with a 3rd party in the race. If Trump wins again, the Dems should just disband for being such a pitiful party. They should have done this after they lost to him the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/49 "2019-01-28T20:13:29Z")
in 2016 Sanders was the only real alternative to Clinton, the rest were nobodies. This time if Sanders runs he will have a large group of well known people to battle . The anti front runner vote will be divided. (whoever the front runner ends up being) ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/50 "2019-01-28T20:15:47Z")
It certainly is funny how so many “independents” on the internet always seem to end up voting a straight Republican ticket, because the Democrats are always too extreme in some way or another. You’re not an independent. You’re a Republican with an asterisk, and that asterisk doesn’t count, because it doesn’t count when you vote. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/51 "2019-01-28T20:26:07Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > I just saw Nate Silver tweet that the party that attacks the 3rd party guy ends us losing voters based on the past history with 3rd party candidates. I think you have the tail wagging the dog. The mainstream party that attacks the third party isn’t losing voters because of the attack. They made the attack because they know they were going to lose votes to that third party. Let’s say Bernie Sanders decides to make an independent run in 2020. You won’t see the Republicans attacking him. Because they know he’s draining votes from the Democratic candidate. The Republicans will be happy to sit back and see the Democrats fighting against Sanders. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/52 "2019-01-28T20:30:58Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > I assume if Schultz ran in the GOP primaries many people here would be thrilled ? > [@Chronos](#): > > Well, slightly pleased, maybe. But he’s not going to accomplish anything that way, either, so it mostly doesn’t matter. I agree. I’m assuming somebody is probably going to make a symbolic challenge against Trump for the Republican nomination. And I’m assuming they’re going to fail. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/53 "2019-01-28T20:40:06Z")
Schultz wants to fight the deficit by doing anything (including eliminating entitlements) other than raising taxes on billionaires like him. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/54 "2019-01-28T20:40:12Z")
To critique Schultz himself, how big a constituency is there for another guy who wants to cut Social Security and Medicare, cut taxes for the rich, and invite in more low-wage immigrant workers? I mean, Trump succeeded in cutting taxes for the rich and tried to take away your health care, but at least he was smart enough to flat-out lie about it before the election. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/55 "2019-01-28T20:40:55Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > If Trump wins again, the Dems should just disband for being such a pitiful party. You do remember that Hillary Clinton got more votes than Trump got, right? You guys ran a candidate who people like less than Hillary Clinton and you’re planning on running him again? And you think the Democrats should be worried? I’m not the least bit worried that Trump will win the 2020 election. But I am worried that he might “win”. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/56 "2019-01-28T20:56:47Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You do remember that Hillary Clinton got more votes than Trump got, right? You guys ran a candidate who people like less than Hillary Clinton and you’re planning on running him again? And you think the Democrats should be worried? > > I’m not the least bit worried that Trump will win the 2020 election. But I am worried that he might “win”. who is the "you guys’ that I am a part of? If you look around here you will see I am no Trump supporter at all. As far as winning more popular votes , that’s like saying your FB team gained more yards in the game they lost, it’s a nice stat but does not matter. You have to focus on the way the votes are counted if you want to win. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/57 "2019-01-28T21:05:53Z")
> [@ITR\_champion](#): > > … the zillionaire never wins, and other than Ross Perot he never even runs. Perhaps that’s because support for such a campaign seems limited to editorial writers for the Washington Post and New York Times. Yes – the constituency is very small. It is influential, though, _and includes people close to the potential candidate-to-be who stand to make a lot of money off that golden goose_, so you can see why it keeps happening. > [@asahi](#): > > …really, I don’t see a compelling reason why he shouldn’t. It’s not like people are just going to give him the nomination. Just in case – he’s talking about running independent, thereby giving _himself_ the nomination. See Lemur866: > [@Lemur866](#): > > If he thinks he would make a good president, then the motherfucker should run in either the Democratic or Republican primary. If he won’t do that, he’s helping to reelect Trump. Ask me how I feel about motherfuckers who help Trump. QFT. > [@asahi](#): > > I’m beginning to think that the Constitution needs to be re-written to eliminate the Executive branch altogether. A parliamentary system, eh? They have advantages – you get to judge the party in power based on its actions. But for god’s sake don’t make it a Westminster parliamentary system (like Britain). Proportional representation, please. > [@dalej42](#): > > The fact that he’s thinking of running as an independent already shows that he’s not qualified. > … > You don’t have to like the two party system and I understand it’s easier to whine about it than doing the unbelievably hard work of changing the constitution. But, the Republicans and Democrats are not ideologically rigid, Trump was certainly out of step with the Republicans on many issues. Right. I like the idea of a multi-party system, but our two-party system does a lot of the same stuff, just worse. Each of our major parties is basically a coalition, and realigns over time. (Don’t get me wrong, it’s terrible – I’m just saying that “independent” voters are often more well-represented than they think they are. It’s not like most of us would be 100% thrilled with our choices in a 5-party system – especially when coalition-forming time came.) And yes: **if you haven’t figured out that you need a major party nomination to be elected president, you’re probably dumber about politics than Donald John Trump.** (Schultz might not be thinking about winning, of course.) > [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > I assume if Schultz ran in the GOP primaries many people here would be thrilled ? He wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance\*, so all I’d get out of it is shits and giggles. (And a distraction from the circular firing squad we might see in the Democratic primary. That would be really good, so … okay, semi-thrilled.) - Jewish, latte-selling, and anti-racist. He’s not getting the GOP nomination. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/58 "2019-01-28T21:20:06Z")
I feel like I didn’t emphasize the bolded sentence enough: > [@snoe](#): > > And yes: **if you haven’t figured out that you need a major party nomination to be elected president, you’re probably dumber about politics than Donald John Trump.** (Schultz might not be thinking about winning, of course.) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/59 "2019-01-28T21:38:02Z")
[The President of the Center for American Progress tweeted](https://twitter.com/neeratanden/status/1089254251111567360): > [@](#): > > Vanity projects that help destroy democracy are disgusting. If he enters the race, I will start a Starbucks boycott because I’m not giving a penny that will end up in the election coffers of a guy who will help Trump win. [Another blue-checkmark tweeter said](https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1089686312469389313): > [@](#): > > Prediction: no joke, there will be legitimately property-damaging vandalistic attacks on Starbucks locations nationwide if Howard Schultz actually runs for president (which is exactly what I’d expect from liberals in Portland, but I’m not so sure about the “nationwide” part) ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/howard-schultz-considers-run-urged-against/828511/60 "2019-01-28T21:55:04Z")
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