# "How's that hopey-changey thing workin' out for ya?" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 1, 2010, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563 "2010-04-01T12:18:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/101 "2011-10-26T11:20:35Z")
What was it Heinlein said about stupid people? He was talking about Clothy. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/102 "2011-10-26T13:00:29Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Geez, PRR, you really are a dumb shit. And Sarah Palin just scares the living hell out of you because she’s smarter than you are or ever will be. Can you please give a concrete example of something she’s said and/or done that could be considered smart? I suppose it could be argued that she made some smart moves parlaying her fame into money, is that what you are referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/103 "2011-10-26T13:17:24Z")
Prediction of Clothy’s response: “Har har, she’s smart enough to piss off you liberals!” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/104 "2011-10-26T13:47:20Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > The only thing remotely scary about The Palinatrix is that she might peak and fade before she’s done sufficient damage to the Republicans. Palin '12. Fuck Yeah!!! She can have a mama bear for her running mate. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/105 "2011-10-26T14:40:29Z")
A grisly prospect, to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/106 "2011-10-26T14:48:47Z")
Is there a chance she will claw her way to the nomination? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/107 "2011-10-26T14:56:10Z")
The idea may be bruin in her mind. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/108 "2011-10-26T15:16:21Z")
She may just pooh-pooh it, though. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/109 "2011-10-26T15:19:16Z")
Oh, please stop, I simply cannot bear these atrocious puns! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/110 "2011-10-26T15:22:05Z")
Wait, I didn’t get in mine about pandaring to the Teabaggers! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/111 "2011-10-26T15:23:50Z")
Are you trying to polarize this discussion? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/112 "2011-10-26T15:25:54Z")
Palin will have to settle for VP this time around as well, just to the bumper sticker can read **Ursa/Horribilis '12**. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/113 "2011-10-26T15:27:18Z")
I can’t bear the thought… ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/114 "2011-10-26T15:56:41Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, please stop, I simply cannot bear these atrocious puns! I dunno. Some of them are kinda memorable. Real Kodiak moments, you might say. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/115 "2011-10-26T16:01:43Z")
"Granpa, what’s a ‘Kodiak moment’? " “It’s a pun on Kodak, child.” “Oh. What’s a ‘Kodak’?” ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/116 "2011-10-26T16:12:44Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > "Granpa, what’s a ‘Kodiak moment’? " > “It’s a pun on Kodak, child.” > “Oh. What’s a ‘Kodak’?” Now you’re just Victrolling. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/117 "2011-10-26T16:34:55Z")
She’s now a grizzled veteran of the campaign trail. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/118 "2011-10-26T17:09:12Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Geez, PRR, you really are a dumb shit. And Sarah Palin just scares the living hell out of you because she’s smarter than you are or ever will be. I wouldn’t be true to the spirit of the Pit if I didn’t offer the obligatory line about what a low bar you’ve set here. But seriously: Palin is not smart. She’s simply not. She’s got a level of factual political awareness that would be perfectly acceptable in a barista or a sports bookie, and there would no no reason to call that barista or that bookie stupid, I grant you. But since politics is her chosen profession, it is absolutely fair to call her stupid, in the same way that the barista could be denigrated for not knowing what cafe au lait is or the bookie not understanding what “I’ll take the Redskins and three points,” means. And surely you’ll agree that my opinion was not reached because of my liberal views. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/119 "2011-10-26T17:12:55Z")
Well, you’d have to have some first, wouldn’t you? Otherwise, how could we tell. Got a whole box load of them, right over here. Take your pick! ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563/120 "2011-10-26T17:33:10Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I wouldn’t be true to the spirit of the Pit if I didn’t offer the obligatory line about what a low bar you’ve set here. > > But seriously: Palin is not smart. She’s simply not. She’s got a level of factual political awareness that would be perfectly acceptable in a barista or a sports bookie, and there would no no reason to call that barista or that bookie stupid, I grant you. But since politics is her chosen profession, it is absolutely fair to call her stupid, in the same way that the barista could be denigrated for not knowing what cafe au lait is or the bookie not understanding what “I’ll take the Redskins and three points,” means. > > And surely you’ll agree that my opinion was not reached because of my liberal views. I agree with this, and I’ll take it a bit further. The reason why Mrs. Palin pisses off the “libruls” and, frankly, thinking conservatives such as **Bricker** is not because she’s smart or that she’s right, because she’s neither. It’s that she brings nothing of value to the civil discourse. She’s gotten rich and famous spouting off a few meaningless buzzwords that appeal to a group of people who really don’t have the level of sophistication needed to understand the civil discourse, or even to understand that that lack of sophistication is being exploited for someone else’s ends and gain, including Mrs. Palin’s. (Note that I didn’t say “intelligence”. You don’t have to be dumb or live in the sticks to be a rube.) And, truthfully, she’s turned into the long-in-the-tooth actress who hasn’t worked in years but who stays in the limelight by having her picture taken at movie openings and awards shows. She’s still attractive, and her fans may still have a warm spot in their hearts for her, but her time is over and it’s time to let go. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-that-hopey-changey-thing-workin-out-for-ya/534563.md?page=7)