# How's Trudeau doing, Canada? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 13, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019 "2016-02-13T13:56:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/563 "2023-12-15T19:49:02Z")
Pharmacare has also been given an extended deadline. I think having limited versions of these could be money well spent (especially compared to some other areas where the government sloshes money around). ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/564 "2023-12-16T00:47:36Z")
I find that appealing. It means even if I vote Liberal, then I might get a handful of the better NDP ideas. Although my vote is already locked in anyway. Whoever is in first place, unless it is Conservatives, in which case whoever is in second place. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/565 "2023-12-16T02:10:16Z")
OH argle bargle Trudeau bad _duuuuuuurrrrrrrrr_. Pretty well what some chap had to offer today in a grocery lineup. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/566 "2023-12-16T03:35:43Z")
That is the Conservatives policy platform in a nutshell ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2024, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/567 "2024-12-22T17:06:02Z")
To update the thread title: “Nae sae good.” - He’s lost several Cabinet ministers, including the high-profile resignation last week of his Deputy PM and Finance Minister, who wrote a scathing public letter of resignation on the way out the door. - Polling about 20% behind the Conservatives for the past several months. - Getting into the buying votes stage, by suddenly offering tax holidays and rebates (which contributed to the resignation of Finance Minister Freedland). - Lost the support of the NDP, who had been voting to support the government in a confidence and supply agreement, when the federal government ordered striking railway workers back to work (NDP has strong roots in organised labour) - Tories are planning on bringing a non-confidence vote as soon as the House is back from Christmas; Bloq said they would vote non-confidence; just last week, Singh for the NDP said that they would also vote non-confidence. - Members of the Liberal caucus have been openly calling for Trudeau to resign as leader to give someone else a chance to salvage the wreckage. If the government falls in January on non-confidence, we’re looking at an election in February (one of the worst possible months for campaigning in Canada ❄ 🥶 ❄ 🥶 ❄ 🥶 ❄ ) with the strong likelihood that the Liberals will take heavy losses and the Tories will form a majority government ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2024, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/568 "2024-12-22T19:21:31Z")
I’m predicting the family tradition of [a Walk In The Snow](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/walk_in_the_snow) before New Years. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/569 "2024-12-22T20:30:42Z")
And an article that just popped up in my feed: > **[‘Vast majority’ of Liberal caucus wants Trudeau to resign, MP says - National...](https://globalnews.ca/news/10928309/justin-trudeau-resignation-future-anthony-housefather/amp/)** > > Liberal MP Anthony Housefather says Trudeau has lost the confidence of Canadians and wants to ensure Liberals can offer a different vision in the next election. ---
**Author:** ![veryfrank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/87869e/32.png) [@veryfrank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/veryfrank)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/570 "2024-12-23T14:09:26Z")
I don’t know if it’s pride/hubris or general dumbness, but I doubt Trudeau will resign, even if doing so would give the Grits the only (albeit small) change of keeping their majority at the next federal election. The writing has been on the wall for a while, and speaking as someone who views Poilievre as Trump-lite, eh? the idea that the current PM will delude himself into taking him on is too depressing to think about. I’ve voted for the Conservatives precisely once in my life (following the sponsorship scandal) but won’t even consider it since they’ve gone the ugly populist route. But damn, Trudeau’s been a nonstop catastophe, and I really don’t want to have to hold my nose to vote for him again. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/571 "2025-01-06T04:40:18Z")
Globe and Mail is reporting that Trudeau may announce resignation tomorrow. Since G&M is paywalled, link to journal that is reporting on the G&M story: > **[Trudeau expected to resign as early as Monday, reports say](https://www.guelphtoday.com/local-news/trudeau-expected-to-resign-as-early-as-monday-reports-say-10034395)** > > The Globe and Mail and Toronto Star reported Sunday night that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is expected to announce he is stepping down as Liberal party leader ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/572 "2025-01-06T05:46:35Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Lost the support of the NDP, who had been voting to support the government in a confidence and supply agreement, when the federal government ordered striking railway workers back to work (NDP has strong roots in organised labour) The NDP is not a party that’s often counterproductive for political reasons, but this would be an example. The railroad strike was costing the Canadian economy an estimated $341 million each day that it went on, affecting thousands of businesses and their employees. It’s an essential service where strikes should never be allowed in the first place, just as they shouldn’t be in the historically confrontational postal union. Workers’ rights in essential industries can be supported by impartial arbitration, not by holding innocent Canadians hostage. > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Globe and Mail is reporting that Trudeau may announce resignation tomorrow. The story was picked up by wire services and the _Toronto Star_, but so far the CBC only has a minor story about Trudeau potentially facing a reckoning in Wednesday’s caucus meeting. He has so many pressures from all sides that it seems unlikely he could stay on. It’s sad to see how far things have fallen since this thread was started almost exactly nine years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/573 "2025-01-06T09:50:30Z")
Nine years is a LONG time for a leader though. Even the US and A limits the presidency to eight years. Trudeau had a good run, but it’s time to read the room. Bow out gracefully before you get booted out. Which could happen Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![veryfrank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/87869e/32.png) [@veryfrank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/veryfrank)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/574 "2025-01-06T15:18:19Z")
He’s got a [news conference](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/justin-trudeau-to-announce-he-s-stepping-down-as-liberal-leader-senior-source-1.7165612) this morning and will reportedly announce he’s stepping down as Liberal leader, staying just long enough to see the new one chosen. It’s not going to be enough to stop Poilievre and the Cons from winning this year but maybe it’ll stop the bleeding enough to prevent a total 1993-style wipeout. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/575 "2025-01-06T16:26:14Z")
The GG has agreed to prorogue Parliament until March 24 and a new leader is chosen. Because the government did not want to hand over papers related to the SDTC, it has been a long time since Parliament did anything anyway. If a new party is elected, won’t they have access to the SDTC papers anyway? The Libs will be back in eight years or so. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/576 "2025-01-06T17:25:02Z")
And it’s official: > **[Trudeau to resign as prime minister after Liberal leadership race | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7423680)** > > Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he plans to step down once the Liberal Party has chosen a successor, bringing his time leading the country to a tumultuous end.  ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/577 "2025-01-06T17:34:00Z")
Ah well, at least he won’t have to deal with Trump again. That had to make resignation more palatable. ---
**Author:** ![3AxisCtrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/ecd19e/32.png) [@3AxisCtrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3AxisCtrl)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/578 "2025-01-06T19:28:21Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > … the government did not want to hand over papers related to the SDTC … Once he’s no longer PM, does Trudeau have any potential legal exposure to fallout from the SDTC scandal? ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/579 "2025-01-06T21:43:49Z")
No idea. I don’t think Prime Ministers have much or any liability for official decisions. It is unclear what went on, but you’d probably have to show there was knowledge, personal involvement or benefit. I was thinking on the broader question of Trudeau’s legacy. He was wildly popular when elected in 2015 after taking over a smoking hull of a party. He talked of sunny ways and gave idealistic instructions to his ministers. He did an adequately good job during COVID, with some early missteps, and a good job on the first round of USMCA negotiations. He prioritized improving relations with First Nations and his record here is mixed. He dragged people out of poverty, and legalized marijuana for better or worse. He helped Ukraine. But his foreign policy was often naïve and he did not deliver on important promises. He spent very freely, but it is hard to see real improvements despite the largesse. His opponents sometimes fixate on trivial details - hair, drama, socks - but there is real scandal there, and considerable hypocrisy. His understanding of (and actions concerning) economic issues seem incomplete. Important things like the military, legal reform, delegating power, cybersecurity and consumer advocacy were not much changed. His legacy will likely be viewed quite a bit more positively than it seems at the moment. But how much more? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/580 "2025-01-07T00:28:47Z")
> [@3AxisCtrl](#): > > Once he’s no longer PM, does Trudeau have any potential legal exposure to fallout from the SDTC scandal? I wouldn’t think so. There’s no suggestion of personal gain by Trudeau; at least I’ve never heard of any such suggestion, and there’s no suggestion in the Wikipedia article. Plus, the agency wasn’t under his direct personal control. PMs take political hits for mismanaged spending, but not personal liability. [Sustainable Development Technology Canada - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_Development_Technology_Canada#:~:text=On%2012%20December%202023%2C%20the,SDTC%2Dlinked%20companies%20in%202021). ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/581 "2025-01-07T07:20:46Z")
Who’s next? ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/582 "2025-01-07T10:14:12Z")
Apparently Mark Carney’s taking soundings > **[Mark Carney considers run to replace Canada’s PM Justin Trudeau](https://www.ft.com/content/6591219d-3781-4785-9eb1-b868ce7dc00e)** > > Former Bank of England governor tipped to enter Liberal party leadership race despite low recognition [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019.md?page=30)