# How's Trudeau doing, Canada? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 13, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019 "2016-02-13T13:56:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/123 "2017-04-11T22:56:54Z")
[Here’s a more recent story if you like](http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-question-period-filibuster-1.4057389) ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/124 "2017-04-11T23:09:26Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > [Here’s a more recent story if you like](http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-question-period-filibuster-1.4057389) Which I’ve already read but thanks. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/125 "2017-04-11T23:40:18Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Harper was Prime Minister for nine years and won three elections, which puts him ahead of most people who’ve held the job. When his time was up, he left. That isn’t a “slunk,” it’s the respectable (and, frankly, sane) thing to do. > > Someday they’ll name an airport after him, too; wistfully reminiscing about Pierre Trudeau because they named an airport after him is… uhh… it’s kind of silly, I’m sorry to tell you. Trudeau was widely despised when he was Prime Minister, just as much as Harper ever was. When he resigned in 1984 it’s because the people were turning on him, an electoral catastrophe was looming, and he decided to jump before he was pushed. There are people who STILL hate him. But in time, the general consensus mellows out. Eventually, I assure you they will name a big airport after Stephen Harper - probably the one in Calgary, which, conveniently, doesn’t have a person’s name attached to it yet. Calgarian officials can name an airport after anyone, but it would be a shame to waste it on Harper, no? It’s just a little over a year after the end of his government but I think it’s safe to say that he leaves an extremely thin legacy. At least, nothing compared to Pierre Trudeau. Both the Official Languages Act (1969) and Canadian Multiculturalism Act (1971) continue to be key in how Canada thinks of itself as a bilingual and multicultural society. Trudeau’s government also gave us the Constitution Act (1982) which patriated us from the British Parliament and gave us our Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. His hard line stance of Canadian nationalism in the face of FLQ terrorism and the Quebec sovereignty movement is now culturally iconic. OTOH Justin Trudeau rode to power almost completely on the promises to reverse Harper’s unilateral/divisive policy changes. The only lasting policy (of which I can remember) is Harper’s 2% GST cut. Also PET only got his airport after he died and his legacy was undeniable. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/126 "2017-04-12T16:33:45Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Calgarian officials can name an airport after anyone, but it would be a shame to waste it on Harper, no? It’s just a little over a year after the end of his government but I think it’s safe to say that he leaves an extremely thin legacy. At least, nothing compared to Pierre Trudeau. Sure, but eventually it’s just “this guy was Prime Minister for awhile.” Few national leaders ever really stand out for a lgeacy, and half of the time it’s myth. Trudeau of course accomplished a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/127 "2019-02-20T21:40:42Z")
Nae sa guid: [Canadians -explain the SNC -Lavalin Affair](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21498862&posted=1#post21498862) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/128 "2019-02-23T16:32:53Z")
Trudeau government is dropping in the polls; Scheer and the Conservatives now have a slight lead: > [@](#): > > The Trudeau government is leaking political support in the wake of the resignation of its former justice minister, making its chances of re-election this fall far less certain than they seemed to be at year’s end, according to a new poll provided exclusively to Global News. > > Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s personal approval ratings are down; a declining number of Canadians think his government deserves re-election; and Andrew Scheer’s Conservatives narrowly lead the Liberals on the ballot box question. [Trudeau government leaks support in wake of SNC-Lavalin, Wilson-Raybould matter: Ipsos poll](https://globalnews.ca/news/4973581/trudeau-government-leaks-support-snc-lavalin-wilson-raybould-poll/) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/129 "2019-02-23T20:30:11Z")
All the more amazing since Andrew Scheer is a useless dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/130 "2019-02-23T23:13:13Z")
Why do you say that? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/131 "2019-02-24T00:04:30Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Why do you say that? I suspect we’re going to disagree on this, and perhaps you’re of a conservative persuasion or perhaps influenced by the fact that Scheer is from Saskatchewan. Nor do I want to digress the discussion too much on this. But I was surprised at his leadership win since he seemed like a lightweight, but beyond that, there’s a reason he’s known as Harper 2.0. That reason includes his positions on climate change and the carbon tax, anti-abortion, Harperesque “tough on crime” advocacy, and American-style free-market libertarianism that marks him as a [Blue Tory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Tory), in the unpleasant tradition of the likes of Mike Harris and Doug Ford. ---
**Author:** ![tingbudong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tingbudong/32/520_2.png) [@tingbudong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tingbudong)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/132 "2019-02-25T00:55:11Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I suspect we’re going to disagree on this, and perhaps you’re of a conservative persuasion or perhaps influenced by the fact that Scheer is from Saskatchewan. Nor do I want to digress the discussion too much on this. But I was surprised at his leadership win since he seemed like a lightweight, but beyond that, there’s a reason he’s known as Harper 2.0. That reason includes his positions on climate change and the carbon tax, anti-abortion, Harperesque “tough on crime” advocacy, and American-style free-market libertarianism that marks him as a [Blue Tory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Tory), in the unpleasant tradition of the likes of Mike Harris and Doug Ford. This. But I would argue he has less personality than Stephen Harper. Seriously, he’s about as exciting as a 2x4 plank of pine. Sent from my SM-G920W8 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/133 "2019-02-28T07:09:47Z")
After today’s testimony, the answer to the OP is [staring into an an abyss](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trudeau-former-ag-alleges-veiled-214856618.html). ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/134 "2019-02-28T15:45:16Z")
After the Conservatives and the National comPost have been beating the “WE HATE TRUDEAU AND SO SHOULD YOU!” horse for the past year, I’m afraid that most Canadians, instead of being incensed that Trudeau exerted pressure on one of his own, will be simply numb to the 964th accusation that Trudeau is EEEEVILLLL. It’s pretty obvious to me that Scheer is using tactics from the previous election down south; - be as divisive as possible - pit one part of the country (Alberta) against the others - blame the other party (LIberals) for the divisiveness on both sides - attack you opponent with anything and everything. Throw every accusation at him you can think of, no matter how stupid. Every day, get another story out. - use your media friends (National comPost), to amplify your message Every day - use social media trolls to amplify your message. Get them to post in EVERY. SINGLE. ARTICLE.about how Trudeau is EEEVIL, even if it’s about a local cat being rescued from a tree. ---
**Author:** ![bb49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b38774/32.png) [@bb49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bb49)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/135 "2019-02-28T17:00:30Z")
> [@tingbudong](#): > > This. But I would argue he has less personality than Stephen Harper. > > Seriously, he’s about as exciting as a 2x4 plank of pine. > > Sent from my SM-G920W8 using Tapatalk Less personality than Harper, and as exciting as a 2x4. That’s hilarious. We elected a guy with personality and nice hair and look what it got us, a PM with room temperature IQ. And didn’t Trudeau tell us, a woman must always be believed? Could this latest scandal turn into Canada’s own WATERGATE? ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/136 "2019-02-28T22:22:19Z")
Well I read Jody Wilson-Raybould’s testimony and honestly I’m ok with the fact that discussions around “finding a solution” took place prior to SNC going to court to contest the DPP decision. I would fully expect an AG to have to shut down non lawyers/political staffers when it comes to decisions where a cabinet minister can exert authority on rulings. However once she explicitly stated that she would not due to a court case (mid-October) that was when it had to stop. Obviously it didn’t, the pressure continued and she was turfed for not bending. In my view this type of behaviour needs punishment if for no other reason than to raise a big blinking sign to the political class that working within the law is the goal, not working around it. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/137 "2019-02-28T22:24:45Z")
> [@bb49](#): > > Could this latest scandal turn into Canada’s own WATERGATE? Uh…no. You must be new to Canadian scandals. As for the relative merits of the 2 leaders, I have yet to read or hear anything from Scheer that displays an intelligence, consideration or moral center in excess of what we currently have. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/138 "2019-03-01T17:25:00Z")
Here’s the BBC’s latest summary: [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47408239](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47408239) ---
**Author:** ![bb49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b38774/32.png) [@bb49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bb49)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/139 "2019-03-01T22:50:06Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Uh…no. You must be new to Canadian scandals. > As for the relative merits of the 2 leaders, I have yet to read or hear anything from Scheer that displays an intelligence, consideration or moral center in excess of what we currently have. Personally, I don’t give about Scheer right now. This isn’t about him, it’s about our current PM that has fully crossed the line when it comes to ethics. Trudeau appointed JW-R and numerous others because she checked the right boxes, native Indian and female. He didn’t realize she was not a JW-Rman, but rather someone with ethics, something that he is sorely lacking. When the time comes to vote for someone more competent than Trudeau, I’ll concern myself with the choices. ---
**Author:** ![bb49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b38774/32.png) [@bb49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bb49)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/140 "2019-03-01T22:59:16Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Uh…no. You must be new to Canadian scandals. > As for the relative merits of the 2 leaders, I have yet to read or hear anything from Scheer that displays an intelligence, consideration or moral center in excess of what we currently have. …she was not a **yes-man** , but rather… Seems auto-correct is too quick. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/141 "2019-03-01T23:54:49Z")
> [@bb49](#): > > … it’s about our current PM that has fully crossed the line when it comes to ethics. > > … When the time comes to vote for someone more competent than Trudeau, I’ll concern myself with the choices. Why not wait for all the facts to come out and make a balanced judgment? I think it’s fairly clear that Trudeau was concerned about the impact on a Quebec company that just happened to be one of the world’s largest engineering firms, including the potential impact on Quebec jobs. I’m not saying what he did was right (or wrong) as I don’t know what he did, and neither does anyone else outside the circle of people directly involved. I do think his concern about SNC-Lavalin was genuine and a well-intentioned political calculation. It’s not like he tried to protect them because he was a major shareholder or something. Was it less ethical than the US bailout of AIG? And I don’t see how this reflects on Trudeau’s “competence”. As for Scheer, as I noted before, Scheer is just another version of Harper, with many of the same beliefs but less political skill. Which is pretty scary. The only good thing about Scheer is that, as with Trump, one can only hope that if his party wins the next election, the incompetence will mitigate the actual enactment of his lunatic beliefs – which is not exactly an inspiring picture of leadership. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hows-trudeau-doing-canada/746019/142 "2019-03-02T00:31:11Z")
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