# HP7: What is the significance of the Deathly Hallows? (Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 20, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hp7-what-is-the-significance-of-the-deathly-hallows-spoilers/561343 "2010-11-20T17:01:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hp7-what-is-the-significance-of-the-deathly-hallows-spoilers/561343/21 "2010-11-21T18:02:31Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > No piece of Voldy was blown up when his attempt to kill the Chosen One boomeranged. No piece of his soul, anyway. Only his body was destroyed. All seven parts of his soul were just fine. You could find him and hack him to pieces a hundred times over and he won’t burn through his horcruxes. He doesn’t have seven lives. He has an infinite amount of lives as long as he has even a single horcrux remaining. (Not suggesting that you believe he has seven lives or whatever- just clarifying my own position.) I think we’re in agreement here - I didn’t mean that Soul Force One was destroyed, just that it was weakened and robbed of powers until it recovered. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hp7-what-is-the-significance-of-the-deathly-hallows-spoilers/561343/22 "2010-11-21T18:07:06Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > I think we’re in agreement here - I didn’t mean that Soul Force One was destroyed, just that it was weakened and robbed of powers until it recovered. His soul wasn’t weakened at all. All seven parts of his soul were safe and sound in their respective horcruxes, not in his body, at the time of his body’s death. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hp7-what-is-the-significance-of-the-deathly-hallows-spoilers/561343/23 "2010-11-21T18:21:18Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > His soul wasn’t weakened at all. All seven parts of his soul were safe and sound in their respective horcruxes, not in his body, at the time of his body’s death. There were eight parts to his soul. ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hp7-what-is-the-significance-of-the-deathly-hallows-spoilers/561343/24 "2010-11-21T18:21:39Z")
I figger it’s one of those things you’re not supposed to look at too closely (ETA: Wand ownership). During the movie a few things occurred to me: 1. This ain’t no kiddie flick 2. I’m impressed with the sheer number of unique things JKR has managed to come up with in this amazingly derivative entertainment industry. Are there major themes borrowed or previously seen? Sure. But where did you see Horcruxes, Butterbeer, Snitches, Portkeys, Owls, House Elves, etc, etc, etc… ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hp7-what-is-the-significance-of-the-deathly-hallows-spoilers/561343/25 "2010-11-21T18:23:32Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > His soul wasn’t weakened at all. All seven parts of his soul were safe and sound in their respective horcruxes, not in his body, at the time of his body’s death. Six parts of his soul were in horcruxes. The seventh resided in his body until he was killed, at which point it became less than the meanest ghost, but still alive. Edit: Wait, I forgot that he he tried to kill Harry, he inadvertently split his soul again and made Harry into a horcrux. But he also hadn’t made Nagini into a horcrux at that time. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hp7-what-is-the-significance-of-the-deathly-hallows-spoilers/561343/26 "2010-11-21T18:28:30Z")
the piece that was in riddle’s body waited around in albania until he could find someone to help him conjure up a body. pettigrew found him, they came up with the icky form thing in goblet of fire until bone, skin, and blood from his chosen “donors” could be rounded up. what he did not know was that between book 1 and 3 his diary was killed. once he found out (that must have been fun) he added nagini to his horcux stash. he also didn’t know that harry was an accidential horcux. it seems he was so far down the path that he couldn’t feel his soul any more. he thought that he didn’t know or feel the diary die because he was in a weakened unbodied state. however when dumbledore and ron killed the ring and locket he didn’t know. the bank heist tipped him off to the horcrux hunt. by book 7 he had ripped his soul into 8 pieces, 1. new improved riddle body, 2. dead diary, 3. dead ring, 4. locket, 5. tiara, 6. cup, 7. harry, 8. nagini. ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hp7-what-is-the-significance-of-the-deathly-hallows-spoilers/561343/27 "2010-11-21T22:33:07Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > And actually, who says Malfoy’s wand worked all that well for Voldemort anyway? The first and only time he got to use it was in the Battle Over Little Whinging, and it failed him there. Presumably, if it wouldn’t work well due to standard wand rules, I’m sure Voldemort would know about that. > [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Really? What do you think would have happened if Malfoy had said no? It wouldn’t end well. But I don’t know if the wand knows that. Or what it knows. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hp7-what-is-the-significance-of-the-deathly-hallows-spoilers/561343/28 "2010-11-21T22:47:31Z")
ollivandor told riddle that he would be able to use any wand against harry’s. so riddle took malfoy’s. ollivandor was just as mystified as anyone when harry’s wand broke the one riddle was using. so riddle goes hunting for the eldar wand. we have to wait for dumbledore to explain why harry’s wand done did what it did. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hp7-what-is-the-significance-of-the-deathly-hallows-spoilers/561343/29 "2010-11-22T05:08:54Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > There were eight parts to his soul. I don’t believe so. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2010, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hp7-what-is-the-significance-of-the-deathly-hallows-spoilers/561343/30 "2010-11-22T05:29:50Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > I don’t believe so. Yes there are. 7 horcruxes and the part he kept. Diary, ring, locket, cup, diadem, Nagini, Harry and the part that remained as Voldemort. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hp7-what-is-the-significance-of-the-deathly-hallows-spoilers/561343.md?page=1)