# HS expels student for shotguns being in his truck \*off\* school property. Can they really do this? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 22, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hs-expels-student-for-shotguns-being-in-his-truck-off-school-property-can-they-really-do-this/518534 "2009-11-22T16:42:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hs-expels-student-for-shotguns-being-in-his-truck-off-school-property-can-they-really-do-this/518534/101 "2009-11-24T18:50:13Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > But where does “close enough” stop? What if he was on the next street over? Well, then he was right next to being right next to the school, so is that “close enough”? I think the street immediately adjacent to the school might be considered reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hs-expels-student-for-shotguns-being-in-his-truck-off-school-property-can-they-really-do-this/518534/102 "2009-11-25T00:17:27Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Kids are suspended for _snowball fights?!_ > > Holy cow, that’s dumb. It’s one of the things that makes you go “huh” when voting for a school levy. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hs-expels-student-for-shotguns-being-in-his-truck-off-school-property-can-they-really-do-this/518534/103 "2009-11-25T03:42:02Z")
After enough irate parents came in screaming about broken eyeglasses and facial injuries, the schools probably thought it wise to prohibit snowball fights. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hs-expels-student-for-shotguns-being-in-his-truck-off-school-property-can-they-really-do-this/518534/104 "2009-11-25T19:07:55Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > After enough irate parents came in screaming about broken eyeglasses and facial injuries, the schools probably thought it wise to prohibit snowball fights. +1. Also, bullies were hiding rocks under thin layers of snow in those snowballs, doing some pretty bad damage, and if confronted simply said that they were having a jolly, child-like snowball fight, and golly gosh darn, there must have been a rock in that snow. Faced with that, government bureaucrats did the only thing they know how to do: Respond with far reaching consequences. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hs-expels-student-for-shotguns-being-in-his-truck-off-school-property-can-they-really-do-this/518534/105 "2010-01-25T04:32:48Z")
The expulsion has been overturned. [Link](http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/2483630.html) \*In overturning the teen’s expulsion, county Board of Education members cited a state statute that requires a principal to recommend expulsion if a student possesses firearms “at school.” The board found Tudesko had not possessed the shotguns “on school grounds.” They also said Tudesko did not receive a fair expulsion hearing in November because he wasn’t given adequate notice that two dozen prior disciplinary incidents would be presented as evidence against him, and he didn’t have a chance to respond.\* ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hs-expels-student-for-shotguns-being-in-his-truck-off-school-property-can-they-really-do-this/518534/106 "2010-01-25T05:59:17Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > If that is true, then would’t the school be liable for any incident that happened off school property while the student is in transit? > > If this is actually true then they should be responsible for stopping before/after school fights, student speeding, and all the rest of the stuff that high school kids do until the kids get home. That seems like a stretch. What if the kid goes to the mall instead of home? Is the school responsible for the kid at the mall? > > If this is the case I should have sued the hell out of my middle school and high school. I was in an accident or two and a couple fights\*. > > Slee > > \*Won one, lost one. Yep!! I busted two of my school’s students playing in the drive-thru lane at a McDonalds a half-mile away after school. It was upheld because in California, the school has a responsibility keeping students safe from the moment they leave their front door to the moment they get home. Sounds extreme I know, but it also allows teachers to break up fights across the street from the school (did that too once) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hs-expels-student-for-shotguns-being-in-his-truck-off-school-property-can-they-really-do-this/518534.md?page=5)