# Huckabee makes a racist appeal in South Carolina and nobody cares **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 22, 2008, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438 "2008-01-22T00:27:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2008, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/41 "2008-01-22T17:51:39Z")
[QUOTE=Ravenman] Actually… [family photo.](http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/photos06/xhuck06b24.jpg) [This one’s even better.](http://perezhilton.com/?p=10711)(oops – there’s a somewhat risque ad on that page that I didn’t see when I linked it) [/QUOTE] So is that the one who tortured the dog? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2008, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/42 "2008-01-22T17:57:22Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] We all knew that Huckabee was a homophobe and an anti-science idoit. Now we know that he is willing to make blatant appeals to racist sentiment. [/QUOTE] But he’s not mad at anybody about it. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2008, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/43 "2008-01-22T17:58:11Z")
[QUOTE=Jean Gray] You do know that Chuck Norris is gonna come after you now, don’t you? [/QUOTE] Chuck Norris doesn’t come after anyone. He comes first, and then he walks away with balls a-clankin’. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/44 "2008-01-22T22:52:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*You don’t like people from outside the state coming in and telling you what to do with your flag. In fact, if somebody came to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag, we’d tell 'em what to do with the pole; that’s what we’d do. \* [QUOTE=elelle] And, yet, he seemed like such a \*\*nice \*\* Christian lad. [/QUOTE] On Friday’s show, where this topic was discussed, Bill Maher said, “He talks to Jesus with that mouth?” Really, what Huckabee said sounded exactly like something George Wallace would’ve said in 1968. It’s kind of sad to think stuff like that still works in the South 40 years later. [QUOTE=Baldwin] Seriously, though . . . it would be easy to say, “I hope Huckabee does get the nomination, because I know he couldn’t actually get elected!” But eight years ago I felt that way about GWB. (Sometimes I’m afraid we really do get the leaders we deserve.) [/QUOTE] That’s also what’s preventing me from feeling too much schadenfreude about the possibility the Republicans may end up nominating this guy. Never underestimate the ability of the Democrats to screw up a “sure thing.” ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2008, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/45 "2008-01-22T23:09:16Z")
[QUOTE=Ravenman] Actually… [family photo.](http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/photos06/xhuck06b24.jpg) [This one’s even better.](http://perezhilton.com/?p=10711)(oops – there’s a somewhat risque ad on that page that I didn’t see when I linked it) [/QUOTE] Oh man, that family fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2008, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/46 "2008-01-22T23:12:40Z")
[QUOTE=Ravenman] Actually… [family photo.](http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/photos06/xhuck06b24.jpg) [This one’s even better.](http://perezhilton.com/?p=10711)(oops – there’s a somewhat risque ad on that page that I didn’t see when I linked it) [/QUOTE] Looks like we have an answer to one of **Omegaman** ’s questions. Still no word on the dog, though. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2008, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/47 "2008-01-22T23:51:30Z")
[QUOTE=NDP] Really, what Huckabee said sounded exactly like something George Wallace would’ve said in 1968. It’s kind of sad to think stuff like that still works in the South 40 years later. [/QUOTE] He said it. No proof that it worked. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2008, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/48 "2008-01-22T23:55:00Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] Christopher Hitchens nails it in this article. We all knew that Huckabee was a homophobe and an anti-science idoit. Now we know that he is willing to make blatant appeals to racist sentiment. Too bad the media is hardly covering this story. Fuck Huckabee and anyone that would support him. > **[Why Are the Media Ignoring Huckabee’s Comments About the Confederate Flag?](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/01/why-are-the-media-ignoring-huckabee-s-comments-about-the-confederate-flag.html)** > > In this country, it seems that you can always get an argument going about “race” as long as it is guaranteed to be phony, but never when it is real.... [/QUOTE] I agree with Huckabee on his point. If you aren’t a South Carolina resident then it is none of your business what flag they choose to fly over their state capitol. But in 2000, you had thousands of people from out of state trying to influence the decision. It was and is none of their business. Even the NCAA will still refuse to hold a postseason tournament game in the state of South Carolina because the rebel flag flies where it does now: Over the Confederate Memorial on the capitol grounds, which the Slate author seems to lend some credence to. If the flag itself is offensive, then why is it legitimate to have a memorial to thousands of men who fought under and for the beliefs behind the flag? Shouldn’t we disinter them and posthumously execute them? I’ll say again, if you aren’t a SC resident, then it is none of your business about a purely internal matter like that.. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/49 "2008-01-22T23:58:26Z")
[QUOTE=jtgain] I agree with Huckabee on his point. If you aren’t a South Carolina resident then it is none of your business what flag they choose to fly over their state capitol. But in 2000, you had thousands of people from out of state trying to influence the decision. It was and is none of their business. Even the NCAA will still refuse to hold a postseason tournament game in the state of South Carolina because the rebel flag flies where it does now: Over the Confederate Memorial on the capitol grounds, which the Slate author seems to lend some credence to. [/QUOTE] And it is none of South Carolina’s business where the NCAA holds it’s post season tournaments. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/50 "2008-01-23T00:14:10Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] And it is none of South Carolina’s business where the NCAA holds it’s post season tournaments. [/QUOTE] In fact, if somebody came to the NCAA and told us what to do with our nets, we’d tell 'em what to do with the rim; that’s what we’d do! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/51 "2008-01-23T00:16:36Z")
[QUOTE=jtgain] I agree with Huckabee on his point. If you aren’t a South Carolina resident then it is none of your business what flag they choose to fly over their state capitol. But in 2000, you had thousands of people from out of state trying to influence the decision. It was and is none of their business. [/quote] How, exactly, do you define the boundaries of what is and is not someone’s business? South Carolina is part of the United States. I’m a citizen of the United States. To some degree, the actions of a part of the government of the United States reflects on all of the citizens thereof. Having a symbol of racism flying over the state house of part of the US makes us all look bad. I think that makes it “my business.” > [@](#): > > Even the NCAA will still refuse to hold a postseason tournament game in the state of South Carolina because the rebel flag flies where it does now: Over the Confederate Memorial on the capitol grounds, which the Slate author seems to lend some credence to. Are you a member of the NCAA? No? Then how is it any of your business where they decide to hold their tournaments? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/52 "2008-01-23T00:20:45Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] And it is none of South Carolina’s business where the NCAA holds it’s post season tournaments. [/QUOTE] No. Not if SC was on a fair playing field with everyone else and the NCAA simply chose another state. But it was the NCAA who chose to use an internal state matter to deny SC a tournament location. Legal? Of course. Being nosy bastards? Yes. Somehow I think that if the NCAA boycotted Mass because they have legal gay marriage, you wouldn’t be so supportive of the NCAA’s interests… ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/53 "2008-01-23T00:22:47Z")
[QUOTE=jtgain] No. Not if SC was on a fair playing field with everyone else and the NCAA simply chose another state. [/QUOTE] Who’s to say what’s fair? I think the Confederate flag isn’t fair. Heck, I even have a war fought over the unfairness that the flag symbolizes. You’ve got, um, Greg Gumbel? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/54 "2008-01-23T00:22:58Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] How, exactly, do you define the boundaries of what is and is not someone’s business? South Carolina is part of the United States. I’m a citizen of the United States. To some degree, the actions of a part of the government of the United States reflects on all of the citizens thereof. Having a symbol of racism flying over the state house of part of the US makes us all look bad. I think that makes it “my business.” [/quote] So what about the Confederate Soldiers’ Memorial on the grounds with the flag over it? Dig them up? [QUOTE=Miller] Are you a member of the NCAA? No? Then how is it any of your business where they decide to hold their tournaments? [/QUOTE] Since the NCAA is a national organization, and I contribute to one of its member schools I have much more say over it, that I do over a state that I don’t live in. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/55 "2008-01-23T00:24:03Z")
[QUOTE=jtgain] Since the NCAA is a national organization, and I contribute to one of its member schools I have much more say over it, that I do over a state that I don’t live in. [/QUOTE] Lots more of us pay taxes that benefit SC. Sounds like we win by this measure, too. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/56 "2008-01-23T00:24:52Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] Who’s to say what’s fair? I think the Confederate flag isn’t fair. Heck, I even have a war fought over the unfairness that the flag symbolizes. You’ve got, um, Greg Gumbel? [/QUOTE] No, what I mean is that if the NCAA said that SC had no suitable basketball facilities for a tourney game, then fine. But because you fly the rebel flag on the statehouse grounds, then WTF? Can basketball players not perform properly because 300 miles away a rebel flag flies? What about black owners of restaurants and hotels in the potential host cities who are being punished for something outside of their control? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/57 "2008-01-23T00:26:53Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] Lots more of us pay taxes that benefit SC. Sounds like we win by this measure, too. [/QUOTE] Sounds like an argument for a smaller federal government. Raise the rebel flag in support of your position! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/58 "2008-01-23T00:31:25Z")
[QUOTE=jtgain] . . . What about black owners of restaurants and hotels in the potential host cities who are being punished for something outside of their control? [/QUOTE] Which out-of-their-control something is that? The choice of a state to continue to fly a symbol of racism or the choice of the NCAA to pick its host city? Something tells me (and I don’t have a cite) that most of the above-mentioned owners would be alright with the NCAA’s decision. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/59 "2008-01-23T00:34:56Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] Which something is that? The choice of a state to continue to fly a symbol of racism or the choice of the NCAA to pick its host city? Something tells me (and I don’t have a cite) that most would be alright with the NCAA’s decision. [/QUOTE] That “something” is the fact that the state of South Carolina flies a rebel flag on the capitol grounds is outside the control of black owners of hotels and restaurants in, say, Greenville or Charleston. So, who does the boycott hurt? The Governor or the legislators? The super-rich with beachfront homes that the libs hate? Nope. The people who get hit are the regular working joes in SC who could have their lifestyles improved with NCAA events.. ETA: These owners might support the decision on principle, but it still takes money out of their wallets, and after 7 years, I see no change in sight for the flag on the memorial. Even the Slate article concedes that this “may” be acceptable.. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438/60 "2008-01-23T00:38:17Z")
[QUOTE=jtgain] No, what I mean is that if the NCAA said that SC had no suitable basketball facilities for a tourney game, then fine. But because you fly the rebel flag on the statehouse grounds, then WTF? Can basketball players not perform properly because 300 miles away a rebel flag flies? [/QUOTE] You’re still not the NCAA, so tough noogies. According to you, you have no standing. My ties to SC are a hell of a lot more significant than yours to the NCAA, so if I don’t have standing to talk about SC, you have negative standing to talk about the NCAA. I’m not sure how negative standing is possible, but perhaps it will involve penalties like having to watch “Knight Rider” or something. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-makes-a-racist-appeal-in-south-carolina-and-nobody-cares/434438.md?page=4)