# Huckabee Wrestles With Pig: "Dred Scott decision \[...\] remains to this day the law of the land" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2015, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-wrestles-with-pig-dred-scott-decision-remains-to-this-day-the-law-of-the-land/730656 "2015-09-11T08:47:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-wrestles-with-pig-dred-scott-decision-remains-to-this-day-the-law-of-the-land/730656/1 "2015-09-11T08:47:04Z")
[Yes, he apparently said this](http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/huckabee-dred-scott-still-the-law-the-land): > [@MSNBC quoting Huckabee](#): > > “I’ve been just drilled by TV hosts over the past week, ‘How dare you say that, uh, it’s not the law of the land?’” Huckabee said. “Because that’s their phrase, ‘it’s the law of the land.’ Michael, the Dred Scott decision of 1857 still remains to this day the law of the land which says that black people aren’t fully human. Does anybody still follow the Dred Scott Supreme Court decision?” Of course he was defending Kim Davis. [More on the moron](http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/mike-huckabee-dred-scott-decision-is-still-the-law-of-the-land-regardless-of-14th-amendment/): > [@Raw Story](#): > > During an interview with radio host Michael Medved that was obtained by BuzzFeed, the former Arkansas governor complained that he had been “drilled by TV hosts” after claiming that Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis did not have an obligation to issue same-sex marriage licenses because the Supreme Court’s recent decision on marriage equality was not “the law of the land” until lawmakers codified it with legislation. This is what happens when you need to out-Trump Trump to gain some of his support for your own: You get muddy enough to be tainted in the general election, and the pig enjoys it. [This just ain’t kosher](http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/06/politics/mike-huckabee-gay-marriage-slavery/): > [@CNN](#): > > Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee compared Rowan County clerk Kim Davis’ refusal to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples to conscientious objections to slavery Sunday. > > Asked if Davis, who was jailed last week for refusing to issue the licenses, should be forced to obey the Supreme Court ruling on marriage, Huckabee cited the landmark Dred Scott decision. > > “You obey it if it’s right,” Huckabee said on ABC’s “This Week.” “So I go back to my question. Is slavery the law of the land? Should it have been the law of the land because Dred Scott said so? Was that a correct decision? Should the courts have been irrevocably followed on that? Should Lincoln have been put in jail? Because he ignored it.” Of course, _Dred Scott v Sanford_ wasn’t overturned by a court case, it was overturned by the Fourteenth Amendment, one of those nasty Reconstruction Amendments the conservative members of the GOP have so much trouble with. Gee I wonder why. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-wrestles-with-pig-dred-scott-decision-remains-to-this-day-the-law-of-the-land/730656/2 "2015-09-11T14:35:44Z")
I honestly can’t tell if Huckabee is stupid, or if he thinks his audience is stupid. I was already wondering when he was talking about how he would take Kim Davis’s place in jail if someone needed to be in jail, even though that’s not at all how that works. And when he was saying about how unfair it was that other people got bail and Davis didn’t, even though that’s not how contempt of court works. These aren’t complicated things. But then he started saying this about the Dred Scott decision, and I really started to wonder. Huckabee seems a lot like Palin, using religion to say nasty and stupid things. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-wrestles-with-pig-dred-scott-decision-remains-to-this-day-the-law-of-the-land/730656/3 "2015-09-11T15:49:59Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I honestly can’t tell if Huckabee is stupid, or if he thinks his audience is stupid. Not mutually exclusive. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-wrestles-with-pig-dred-scott-decision-remains-to-this-day-the-law-of-the-land/730656/4 "2015-09-11T17:03:43Z")
Don’t a lot of pro-lifers cite Dred Scott as a pro-life argument, that since black people should have been considered equal that today we should consider fetuses equal? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-wrestles-with-pig-dred-scott-decision-remains-to-this-day-the-law-of-the-land/730656/5 "2015-09-11T17:08:46Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I honestly can’t tell if Huckabee is stupid, or if he thinks his audience is stupid. I was already wondering when he was talking about how he would take Kim Davis’s place in jail if someone needed to be in jail, even though that’s not at all how that works. And when he was saying about how unfair it was that other people got bail and Davis didn’t, even though that’s not how contempt of court works. These aren’t complicated things. But then he started saying this about the Dred Scott decision, and I really started to wonder. Huckabee seems a lot like Palin, using religion to say nasty and stupid things. Most politicians think the electorate is stupid. Unfortunately, little is usually done to dispel that notion. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-wrestles-with-pig-dred-scott-decision-remains-to-this-day-the-law-of-the-land/730656/6 "2015-09-11T17:11:27Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Don’t a lot of pro-lifers cite Dred Scott as a pro-life argument, that since black people should have been considered equal that today we should consider fetuses equal? [Huckabee himself has said such things:](http://cjonline.com/news/2015-07-31/mike-huckabee-republican-presidential-candidate-wont-rule-out-employing-us-troops) > [@](#): > > Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee indicated Thursday that if elected, he wouldn’t rule out employing federal troops or the Federal Bureau of Investigation to stop abortion from taking place in the United States. > [@](#): > > In response to a question from the audience at the Pizza Ranch in Jefferson, Iowa, Huckabee said he would “invoke the Fifth and 14th Amendments for the protection of every human being.” > > Both amendments contain due process protections against depriving people of life without due process of law. > [@](#): > > Huckabee said past presidents also have defied Supreme Court rulings. He cited Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln, and said Lincoln had ignored the court’s 1857 Dred Scott v. Sandford decision — which found that black Americans weren’t citizens — when he emancipated slaves. He didn’t clarify in what way Jefferson had violated any court rulings. I honestly can’t follow the logic here, other than you start with the points that abortion and gay marriage are bad and just go from there. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-wrestles-with-pig-dred-scott-decision-remains-to-this-day-the-law-of-the-land/730656/7 "2015-09-11T17:20:34Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Don’t a lot of pro-lifers cite Dred Scott as a pro-life argument, that since black people should have been considered equal that today we should consider fetuses equal? I don’t think they take the analogy quite that far (although some might). I think the basic idea was that Dred Scott was a Supreme Court decision that everyone now realizes was incorrect, and so was later overturned, and in the same way the incorrect decision Row v. Wade should be recognized as a mistake and overturned. From this point of view Obergefell could also be over turned as soon as everyone sees the horror that gay marriage causes in the coming years. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huckabee-wrestles-with-pig-dred-scott-decision-remains-to-this-day-the-law-of-the-land/730656/8 "2015-09-11T17:29:43Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I don’t think they take the analogy quite that far (although some might). I think the basic idea was that Dred Scott was a Supreme Court decision that everyone now realizes was incorrect, and so was later overturned, and in the same way the incorrect decision Row v. Wade should be recognized as a mistake and overturned. From this point of view Obergefell could also be over turned as soon as everyone sees the horror that gay marriage causes in the coming years. :rolleyes: But he’s both said that the “Dred Scott decision of 1857 still remains to this day the law of the land”, even though it’s not followed, and that he would “invoke the Fifth and 14th Amendments for the protection of every human being.”. Maybe he doesn’t remember what he said earlier about invoking the 14th amendment, but that is what he said. And I would think if he was going to use the 14th amendment, he would believe that it’s legitimate and that it overturned Dred Scott.