# Huerta88 - your handle hurts you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 26, 2006, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344 "2006-05-26T17:52:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2006, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/201 "2006-05-29T22:56:08Z")
[QUOTE=Zoe] **Ellis Dee** , thanks for refreshing my memory on which page I should check. I will take a look. (I no longer read the other thread.) If you check on the list of pages on the original link that **Huerta88** posted, the bookmarks **also** have the pages listed incorrectly. It took actually clicking on the index to realize that there is a revised version. So my criticism of **Huerta88** still stands. He was using old information that he hadn’t checked out in a while. It wasn’t just a typo or similar kind of error. [/QUOTE] Being on dialup, I don’t open pdfs in a browser. Instead, I right-click and “save target as” in order to view it offline. In my offline copy of the pdf, the index is indeed wrong. Interestingly, the index seems longer than the actual document. (Just now is the first time I actually looked at the index.) I’m not sure what this means. Could you clarify? Note that the crime stats are from 2003, so in a sense of course it’s “old.” ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2006, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/202 "2006-05-29T23:29:56Z")
**Ellis Dee** , what I am trying to convey is that if **Huerta88** had researched the Department of Justice tables recently, I doubt that he would have claimed that Table 42 was on page 32. He might have thought that by just looking at the index, but that wouldn’t have given him the 0.0% statistic he had. That suggests that he has had an interest in Table 42 since before it was changed. Of course, I suppose it _could_ have been changed since he posted his link last month. I am also amazed at how he didn’t notice that the sampling was of only ten people. Is he really that unobservant? Does he strike you as someone who would overlook that detail on a short and uncomplicated table? As for the other sources for the statistics, I _refuse_ to link to those sites. Surely you are not familiar enough with neo-nazi sites that you would know whether or not they discuss this information. The right words in Google bring some of them up. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2006, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/203 "2006-05-29T23:34:01Z")
I do need to make one thing clear that might be misleading. To the best of my knowledge, "Table 42 and “page 32” are not in the websites that I am referring to. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2006, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/204 "2006-05-29T23:40:09Z")
I noticed the same thing that you did, **Zoe**. I attributed my failure in finding the data to my computer and lack of patience. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/205 "2006-05-30T00:06:11Z")
[QUOTE=Zoe] As for the other sources for the statistics, I _refuse_ to link to those sites. Surely you are not familiar enough with neo-nazi sites that you would know whether or not they discuss this information. The right words in Google bring some of them up. [/QUOTE] No thanks, like you I’ll pass on the neo-nazi sites. I’m not really buying into the logic of his citing page 32 instead of 30 shows evidence that he found the info by way of having a history of neo-nazi interests. (2 and 0 are right next to each other on the numerical keypad, after all.) But that’s not the primary reasoning against him, anyway, so it’s not that big a deal. ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/206 "2006-05-30T00:11:59Z")
Well, the problem isn’t with any one thing, but with everything taken together. This little bit about where and what is on the site at present as opposed to in the past is just one more little datum that goes into the “Hmm” box. That box is beginning to look full. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/207 "2006-05-30T00:31:59Z")
> [@](#): > > **Ellis Dee** : (2 and 0 are right next to each other on the numerical keypad) Not on my keypad. Even though the table _used_ to be on that page…and if you follow his link, the list still shows that the table is _on_ that page…_but, but_… it was just a typo. (Your honor, I swear. That car just came out of nowhere.) ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/208 "2006-05-30T00:39:17Z")
> [@](#): > > **jsgoddess** : Apparently Target had a bit of a stir a few years back when they started offering clothes with 88 on them. They ended up recalling them: [http://www.dontshopattarget.com/nazi/nazi\_article.html](http://www.dontshopattarget.com/nazi/nazi_article.html) I noticed that some of the Target clothing with the 88 also had skulls on them. Anyone know of a national sports team with that logo? ---
**Author:** ![Dubious\_Weasle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b782af/32.png) [@Dubious\_Weasle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dubious_Weasle)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/209 "2006-05-30T12:39:03Z")
Huerta definitely should change his name. For years people have been taking the neo-nazi’s number 88 and using for their own devices while neo-nazis have valiently been struggling to reclaim this number as their own and use it for its original purpose. If Huerta is not a neo-nazi he has no place using the number 88. It’s their number, have the decency to give it back to them. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/210 "2006-05-30T14:45:53Z")
[QUOTE=Zoe] **Ellis Dee** , what I am trying to convey is that if **Huerta88** had researched the Department of Justice tables recently, I doubt that he would have claimed that Table 42 was on page 32. He might have thought that by just looking at the index, but that wouldn’t have given him the 0.0% statistic he had. That suggests that he has had an interest in Table 42 since before it was changed. Of course, I suppose it _could_ have been changed since he posted his link last month. [/QUOTE] **Bricker** , now do you see why I questioned the value of reasoning with the reasonless? This stuff becomes unsatirizable. For the record, I first looked up the DOJ cite the day I cited it, and as far as I could tell, the page/table cites I supplied to **furt** jibed as of that day. But really, if all you have to go on is the allegation that I got a page number wrong – please, continue the pathetic ranting and conspiricizing. ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/211 "2006-05-30T16:29:03Z")
Well, it’s like this: - Your username. Got an 88 in it? Chance. Starts with an h? Could be chance. Got six letters? Easily chance. Shares four letters with that other name? Merest coincidence. Numeroligically sums to one more than that other one? Perhaps of no significance whatsoever. Take that whole thing together, and that’s one thing. \*\* Once is chance.\*\* - Keeps thread on racially-charged rape alive all by himself, to the point that it’s called your blog, behavior unusual for the board but consistent with a racially obsessed person. **Twice is coincidence.** - Cites DOJ stats that are a staple of Neo-nazi websites, in a slanted and dubious way, _behavior consistent with that seen repeatedly on neo-Nazi websites_. For extra credit, uses copy that just so happens to coincide with those appearing on these sites. **Thrice is enemy action.** ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/212 "2006-05-30T16:57:35Z")
Enemy action? Jeez, ok we need to tone this down a little. Now I have now idea who or what Huerta 88 is though it is interesting to hear about the connection the number 88 has with Hitler. The other thing is this, while he did keep the “lying whore” thread alive his postings tended to be quite informative and up to date. That is, he wasn’t just trolling. Whatever else we discover I think we should keep our facts straight. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/213 "2006-05-30T17:05:21Z")
I don’t recall having a lot of interaction with **Huerta** , but I never saw anything (other than the “88”) that indicated he had NeoNazi tendancies. Why he latched onto those DoJ statistics as if they were significant to this case is a puzzle, but it looked more like stubborness than racism to me. However, I do think \*\*Huerta \*\*needs to offer an explanation of “slave-master style rape” comment. It’s not clear to me that it was aimed at **YWTF** , although I can see how it could have been read that way. Even in the Pit, saying someone wants to be raped is beyond the pale, and certainly not in keeping with someone who claimes to be arguing rationally and intelligently. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/214 "2006-05-30T17:06:49Z")
[QUOTE=pantom] Well, it’s like this: - Your username. Got an 88 in it? Chance. Starts with an h? Could be chance. Got six letters? Easily chance. Shares four letters with that other name? Merest coincidence. Numeroligically sums to one more than that other one? Perhaps of no significance whatsoever. Take that whole thing together, and that’s one thing. \*\* Once is chance.\*\* - Keeps thread on racially-charged rape alive all by himself, to the point that it’s called your blog, behavior unusual for the board but consistent with a racially obsessed person. **Twice is coincidence.** - Cites DOJ stats that are a staple of Neo-nazi websites, in a slanted and dubious way, _behavior consistent with that seen repeatedly on neo-Nazi websites_. For extra credit, uses copy that just so happens to coincide with those appearing on these sites. **Thrice is enemy action.** [/QUOTE] Everyone that came along and called this thread stupid is, in my view, morally obligated to reply to this post. > [@Huerta88](#): > > Bricker, now do you see why I questioned the value of reasoning with the reasonless? > > This stuff becomes unsatirizable. Brother, you ain’t peddlin’ vacuum. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/215 "2006-05-30T17:20:43Z")
[QUOTE=pantom] Got an 88 in it? Chance. Starts with an h? Could be chance. Got six letters? Easily chance. Shares four letters with that other name? Merest coincidence. Numeroligically sums to one more than that other one? Perhaps of no significance whatsoever. [/QUOTE] Oh! To see SDMB become obsessed with numerology. Now isn’t this a treat. Did you know that if Huerta is reversed, “Z” is inserted after “r” and then converted to base15 and transliterated to Cyrillic - it’ll spell “DEVIL” in Swahili. A coincidence?! Yeah right! Devil spawn I say. He’s an enemy. String him up! Anyway, just to set the record straight from my previous post, the “88” doesn’t mean “Love” but “Hugs and Kisses” in amateur radio. It apparently also means a whole bunch of other stuff, like “Oral Sex”, “Bye Bye” (in Chinese), “Hip Hop” etc. [88 (number) - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_%28number%29) Anyone has an opinion on how many cocksucking-Chinese-Hip-Hop Nazis that can dance on a pinhead? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/216 "2006-05-30T17:25:26Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] IIt’s not clear to me that it was aimed at **YWTF** , although I can see how it could have been read that way. [/quote] **Huerta’s** M.O. throughout that thread was to group anyone arguing against him into “they”. It doesn’t matter if “they” was one or multiple individuals. To me it’s obvious that “they” was me, in that post, was refering to me since he was, in effect, reponding to my post. > [@](#): > > Even in the Pit, saying someone wants to be raped is beyond the pale, and certainly not in keeping with someone who claimes to be arguing rationally and intelligently. The sad thing is that he wasn’t the only one making those intimations. There were plenty of Dopers who don’t have “88” by their name who are sympathetic to that position. **Shodan** is one of them. ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/217 "2006-05-30T17:28:21Z")
**Rune** : Obsessed? Hardly. I was just havin’ a little fun. The significant thing is really the 88. And, I didn’t join in these festivities until Saturday morning, when I saw that he had kept that thread alive all by himself. At that point, it became obvious what we were dealing with. The obsession was, and is, his. ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/218 "2006-05-30T17:30:58Z")
[QUOTE=pantom] Well, it’s like this: .\*\* [/QUOTE] Well the name pantom shares 4 letters with the word. They bpth start with the same letter, the previous post was completely the word, and Om is the lower-Swahili name for a young brown pit snake. And snakes go ‘ssssssss’ ergo PANTS ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/219 "2006-05-30T17:39:50Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] > [@pantom](#): > > Well, it’s like this: > > - Your username. Got an 88 in it? Chance. Starts with an h? Could be chance. Got six letters? Easily chance. Shares four letters with that other name? Merest coincidence. Numeroligically sums to one more than that other one? Perhaps of no significance whatsoever. > Take that whole thing together, and that’s one thing. > **Once is chance.** > - Keeps thread on racially-charged rape alive all by himself, to the point that it’s called your blog, behavior unusual for the board but consistent with a racially obsessed person. > **Twice is coincidence.** > - Cites DOJ stats that are a staple of Neo-nazi websites, in a slanted and dubious way, behavior consistent with that seen repeatedly on neo-Nazi websites. For extra credit, uses copy that just so happens to coincide with those appearing on these sites. > **Thrice is enemy action.** Everyone that came along and called this thread stupid is, in my view, morally obligated to reply to this post. [/QUOTE] Well, the thing is though, your OP had this to say: > [@Bricker](#): > > I have found Huerta88’s posts, in general, to well well-written, logically constructed, and supported by relevant citation to authority. But on more than one occasion, I’ve seen speculation about the meaning of the 88 contribute to a distraction that should not occur in a realm of pure sweet reason. > > I have no idea if the 88 in Huerta’s name is a sly reference to the eighth letter of the alphabet - ‘H’, which in doubled turn would be a sly reference to the phrase ‘Heil Hitler,’ which in turn would identify Huerta88 as a Nazi sympathizer. > > It strikes me as unlikely, but I’ve seen stranger things, like Dennis Kucinich running for President. > > So - Huerta88, I invite you to consider that your name may be causing an unnecessary distraction. How you might go about mitigating that distraction, should you even choose to, is obviously up to you. You made it quite clear in the OP that your only problem with **Huerta88** ’s name was the name itself, its possible connections with neo-Nazism, and the possible “distraction” this might cause. You very explicitly stated that you find his actual posts “well-written, logically constructed, and supported by relevant citation to authority.” If you had actually made a connection between his name and the content of his posts, you might have received some debate over whether his views could be considered akin to Nazism, but at least the thread might have had some merit. As it was, your initial criticism was, by your own words, merely concerned with the name itself, and did not involve any criticism of the content of his posts. It’s rather disingenuous of you to now use **pantom** ’s observations as an _ex post facto_ justification of your lame OP. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/220 "2006-05-30T18:13:03Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] Well, the thing is though, your OP had this to say:You made it quite clear in the OP that your only problem with **Huerta88** ’s name was the name itself, its possible connections with neo-Nazism, and the possible “distraction” this might cause. You very explicitly stated that you find his actual posts “well-written, logically constructed, and supported by relevant citation to authority.” If you had actually made a connection between his name and the content of his posts, you might have received some debate over whether his views could be considered akin to Nazism, but at least the thread might have had some merit. As it was, your initial criticism was, by your own words, merely concerned with the name itself, and did not involve any criticism of the content of his posts. It’s rather disingenuous of you to now use **pantom** ’s observations as an _ex post facto_ justification of your lame OP. [/QUOTE] But I had seen musings very similar to **pantom** ’s well before I ever conceived of this thread. **pantom** ’s post now is merely an exemplar of the phenomenon that already existed - it’s not a stand-alone ex post facto justification for my OP. And why would _I_ “…[make] a connection between his name and the content of his posts…” when I don’t believe any such connection exists? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344.md?page=12)