# Huerta88 - your handle hurts you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 26, 2006, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344 "2006-05-26T17:52:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/221 "2006-05-30T18:16:38Z")
[QUOTE=Bippy the Beardless] Well the name pantom shares 4 letters with the word. They bpth start with the same letter, the previous post was completely the word, and Om is the lower-Swahili name for a young brown pit snake. And snakes go ‘ssssssss’ ergo PANTS [/QUOTE] 'Struth. That theory really is pants. ---
**Author:** ![Hakuna\_Matata](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hakuna\_Matata](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hakuna_Matata)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/222 "2006-05-30T18:18:16Z")
[QUOTE=Bippy the Beardless] Well the name pantom shares 4 letters with the word. They bpth start with the same letter, the previous post was completely the word, and Om is the lower-Swahili name for a young brown pit snake. And snakes go ‘ssssssss’ ergo PANTS [/QUOTE] no you have it all wrong he/she is obviously being directed by someone else this picture tells it all [http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Steiff%20Classic%3A%2012"%20Baby%20Pantom%20Bear:2001527521;\_ylc=X3oDMTB0b3VnYm1hBF9TAzk2NjMyOTA3BHNlYwNmZWVkBHNsawNiZ3Qy](http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Steiff%20Classic%3A%2012%22%20Baby%20Pantom%20Bear:2001527521;_ylc=X3oDMTB0b3VnYm1hBF9TAzk2NjMyOTA3BHNlYwNmZWVkBHNsawNiZ3Qy) pantom indeed! 😃 dance little bear dance ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/223 "2006-05-30T18:23:29Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] **Huerta’s** M.O. throughout that thread was to group anyone arguing against him into “they”. It doesn’t matter if “they” was one or multiple individuals. To me it’s obvious that “they” was me, in that post, was refering to me since he was, in effect, reponding to my post. The sad thing is that he wasn’t the only one making those intimations. There were plenty of Dopers who don’t have “88” by their name who are sympathetic to that position. **Shodan** is one of them. [/QUOTE] Don’t forget **Bricker** and he’s wailing about your **ad hominem** attack against **Huerta** in direct response to what he’d said about black women wanting to be raped. Defending yourself against a vile insult is a big no-no, in **Bricker’s** eyes. > [@John Mace](#): > > Why he latched onto those DoJ statistics as if they were significant to this case is a puzzle, but it looked more like stubborness than racism to me. Maybe the fact that I’m a black woman explains why I can’t give **Huerta** and other Dopers in that thread the benefit of the doubt any more. Even if we forget the nasty thing he said about slave-master-slave rape–even if we forget the loud claps on the back that he got for that witty remark–the implications of his ideas are straight up racist. I can’t see how anyone can deny it. I said it on that thread and I’ll say it again: if I was ever victimized by a white guy, I would think twice before telling anyone about. Not if I have to hear an earful from the peanut gallery about how my charges are “statistically unlikely, thus dubious”. It would drive me literally insane. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/224 "2006-05-30T18:28:47Z")
I am worried about my Doper name offending unintentionally. Octopus’ have 8 legs and, well, draw your own conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/225 "2006-05-30T18:34:20Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] The sad thing is that he wasn’t the only one making those intimations. There were plenty of Dopers who don’t have “88” by their name who are sympathetic to that position. **Shodan** is one of them. [/QUOTE] Well, if you are saying that a Doper doesn’t need an 88 in his name before you drag out the race card, you are correct. If you are claiming that name-calling from someone like you is at all meaningful, not so much. > [@monsto](#): > > Maybe the fact that I’m a black woman explains why I can’t give Huerta and other Dopers in that thread the benefit of the doubt any more. Or maybe your shortcomings have nothing to do with race. I wonder if the DoJ has statistics on how being a dishonest, pathetically over-matched debater correlates with race? 😃 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/226 "2006-05-30T18:46:25Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] But I had seen musings very similar to **pantom** ’s well before I ever conceived of this thread. **pantom** ’s post now is merely an exemplar of the phenomenon that already existed - it’s not a stand-alone ex post facto justification for my OP. And why would _I_ “…[make] a connection between his name and the content of his posts…” when I don’t believe any such connection exists? [/QUOTE] I see what you’re saying now. I mistook your previous appeal to **pantom** ’s post as an assertion that **Huerta88** is, in fact, of pro-Nazi sympathies, and his name demonstrates this. I stand corrected. I still think this thread was ill-advised and pointless, for all the reasons i’ve already stated. If people want to make silly connections based on the name alone, then they’re idiots, and if people think that any Doper’s posts demonstrate some level of racism or white supremacy, then they should say so regardless of what the person’s screen name is. Also, it seems to me that you haven’t really demonstrated that immediate prejudice against anyone with “88” in their name is really much of a problem on this message board. Personally, while i think that **Huerta88** made some stupid posts in that other thread—posts which demonstrate, at the very least, a misunderstanding of the nature of evidence and a shallow, one-dimensional view of race—i don’t think that anything he said suggests that he’s a neo-Nazi or white supremacist. Actually, if his contributions to that thread give lie to any part of your OP, it’s the part where you describe his posts as “well-written, logically constructed, and supported by relevant citation to authority.” I’m assuming you didn’t have that particular thread in mind when you wrote your OP. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/227 "2006-05-30T18:56:48Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] Well, if you are saying that a Doper doesn’t need an 88 in his name before you drag out the race card, you are correct. If you are claiming that name-calling from someone like you is at all meaningful, not so much. Or maybe your shortcomings have nothing to do with race. I wonder if the DoJ has statistics on how being a dishonest, pathetically over-matched debater correlates with race? 😃 Regards, Shodan [/QUOTE] I don’t see you dropping any knowledge or wisdom in this thread or the other, **Shodan**. Apparently, all you can drop are turds. The next time someone says you’re a reasonable, rational poster, I will link to that other thread and let your words speak for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/228 "2006-05-30T19:16:43Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] I wonder if the DoJ has statistics on how being a dishonest, pathetically over-matched debater correlates with race? [/QUOTE] Wondering where your place is in all of this, eh? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/229 "2006-05-30T19:17:44Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] Actually, if his contributions to that thread give lie to any part of your OP, it’s the part where you describe his posts as “well-written, logically constructed, and supported by relevant citation to authority.” I’m assuming you didn’t have that particular thread in mind when you wrote your OP. [/QUOTE] [Bad assumption.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7428942&postcount=789) ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/230 "2006-05-30T19:31:18Z")
[QUOTE=monstro] The next time someone says you’re a reasonable, rational poster [/QUOTE] You misstyped “The first time someone says you’re a reasonable, rational poster…” This is par for the course for Shodan, though he hasn’t done a flounce yet. It’ll come. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/231 "2006-05-30T22:31:00Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] **Huerta’s** M.O. throughout that thread was to group anyone arguing against him into “they”. It doesn’t matter if “they” was one or multiple individuals. To me it’s obvious that “they” was me, in that post, was refering to me since he was, in effect, reponding to my post. [/QUOTE] I’m sure it seemed obvious to you, but that doesn’t mean that it was. Keep in mind that you guys had been at each others’ throats, and I was reading it much more dispassionately. That particular post of **Huerta** ’s did not contain a quote from one of your posts, nor did it immediately follow one of your posts (IIRC). He certainly was debating with you more than anyone else, so I can see why it might have seemed like that post was aimed at you. But he was also making generalizations about the “mob” that had descended on the crime scene and who were making the whole thing seem like a major racial incident instead of what it most likely was-- either a rape by some college guys or a scam by some local stripper. It’s very easy to misinterpret another person’s post. Typing messages in a MB like this is not a particularly good way to communicate (as opposed to a face-to-face discussion) and I almost always find it useful to ask for clarification before I make accusations. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/232 "2006-05-30T23:08:30Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] But he was also making generalizations about the “mob” that had descended on the crime scene and who were making the whole thing seem like a major racial incident instead of what it most likely was-- either a rape by some college guys or a scam by some local stripper. [/quote] I admit that the racial angle being presented by the accuser’s supporters bother me (although if all her allegations are true, wouldn’t that necessitate the race angle?). But if someone’s arguing that there is no race angle, it doesn’t make sense to harp on race-based stats. No one in that thread was saying that there is widespread white-on-black rape, which beggars the question about **Huerta’s** intentions. > [@](#): > > Typing messages in a MB like this is not a particularly good way to communicate (as opposed to a face-to-face discussion) and I almost always find it useful to ask for clarification before I make accusations. Notice that **Huerta** has not denied that he was including **YWTF** in his generalization, despite being referenced several times in this thread and the other. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/233 "2006-05-30T23:10:13Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I’m sure it seemed obvious to you, but that doesn’t mean that it was. Keep in mind that you guys had been at each others’ throats, and I was reading it much more dispassionately. That particular post of **Huerta** ’s did not contain a quote from one of your posts, nor did it immediately follow one of your posts (IIRC). He certainly was debating with you more than anyone else, so I can see why it might have seemed like that post was aimed at you. [/QUOTE] I was posting in that thread (but gave up a couple pages ago), and I was the first one who specifically called **Huerta88** out on that disgusting quote. It was clear to me that the “slavemaster-style rape” comment was directed toward **you with the face** , or at least primarily toward her. Earlier in the thread, **face** had mentioned that, as a black female who dates white males, she would like to be believed if she reported a rape. It sure seems like **Huerta88** ’s comment was directed towards her, as he said (emphasis added): “I want to be slavemaster-style raped, **and to be believed when I report it**!).” IIRC, **face** was the only one who had talked about wanting to be believed when reporting interracial rape, so it seems to me that this jab was aimed at her specifically. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/234 "2006-05-30T23:16:32Z")
Just wanted to say Waenara that that post was your number 666. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/235 "2006-05-30T23:30:49Z")
[QUOTE=Rune] Just wanted to say Waenara that that post was your number 666. [/QUOTE] :eek: 😃 Actually, just earlier today I was wondering how many posts I was at, but then was too busy to look right away and forgot about it. Neat. At this rate I’ll get to 1,000 in a little over two years! I read the 'Dope alot, but I don’t know how the people with 15,000+ posts have the time. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/236 "2006-05-30T23:32:33Z")
[QUOTE=Waenara] I was posting in that thread (but gave up a couple pages ago), and I was the first one who specifically called **Huerta88** out on that disgusting quote. It was clear to me that the “slavemaster-style rape” comment was directed toward **you with the face** , or at least primarily toward her. Earlier in the thread, **face** had mentioned that, as a black female who dates white males, she would like to be believed if she reported a rape. [/quote] I missed that post. I read most of the thread, but not every single word of every single post. > [@](#): > > It sure seems like **Huerta88** ’s comment was directed towards her, as he said (emphasis added): “I want to be slavemaster-style raped, **and to be believed when I report it**!).” > > IIRC, **face** was the only one who had talked about wanting to be believed when reporting interracial rape, so it seems to me that this jab was aimed at her specifically. But there were others in the thread or linked to as outside sources who brought up the issue of White on Black rapes in the antebellum south. \*\*YWTF \*\*wasn’t one of them (IIRC) which is why I thought it might have been directed at those folks in the outside links. However, the longer \*\*Huerta \*\*lets the numerous requests that have been made for an explanation go unanswered, the more people are going to believe that he did mean it to be directed towards **YWTF**. That thread did get pretty nasty, even for the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/237 "2006-05-30T23:36:24Z")
[QUOTE=pantom] - Keeps thread on racially-charged rape alive all by himself, to the point that it’s called your blog, behavior unusual for the board but consistent with a racially obsessed person. **Twice is coincidence.** [/QUOTE] A couple points about this. First, he is clearly not the only poster interested in that case or that thread, as evidenced by multiple posters chiming in with “I’m interested too” after it was claimed that the thread had become his blog. So please stop citing that thread mischaracterization as gospel. Second, any fair reading of that thread would make it obvious that the thing **Huerta** is most fixated on is the behavior of DA Mike Nifong. Yes, there is a long antagonistic flamewar in it between him and **ywtf** , and it got personal and ugly on both sides. But removing poster on poster flames, where is most of his vitriol aimed? When compared to the amount of disgust he piles on Nifong, the amount of ill will he shows toward the accuser or the other stripper is virtually nonexistant. Prosecutors abusing their authority certainly seems a valid topic to get pissed off about. At least to me, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/238 "2006-05-30T23:59:45Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] But there were others in the thread or linked to as outside sources who brought up the issue of White on Black rapes in the antebellum south. [/quote] That was only one poster (can’t recall their name) and that was waaaaay back on a single-digit page. I can’t imagine why he would be talking about them all of a sudden, since they only popped in once and then disappeared. The most reasonable interpretation is that he was lumping me into together with the accuser, because he was said something about lying about being masterstyle raped as well as " I want to be slavemaster-style raped, and to be believed when I report it!" The timing of his post in relation to mine is important, too. Oh yeah, and the fact that this was hardly the first time he intimated things of this nature. > [@\[H88](#): > > ([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7302585&postcount=397](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7302585&postcount=397))] > The only person blinded by race is you. Tell the truth: You believed this report when you first heard it. **You have a desperate need to believe it still, to believe that the bad white patriarchs they told you about in women’s studies really were raping, and do rape, black sisters at horrific rates.** Everyone, but everyone, on here knows that if there were statistics indicating a true plague of white-on-black rape, you and your ilk would yield to no one in your haste to declare this latest rape just another manifestation of the statistically prevalent sexualized violence against black gals. It’s impossible to imagine that you wouldn’t. (bolding mine) Now, I’m not trying to prove that this guy is the scum of the Earth. But I find it hardly likely that I’m misinterpreting him. Again, knowing his M.O., he will probably come in here and try to convince you that this is all in my little head, that he’s refering to someone else, blah blah blah. But his con game doesn’t seem to work on me, for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/239 "2006-05-31T00:05:37Z")
Let’s try that again. Here’s post [397](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7302585&postcount=397). > [@H88](#): > > The only person blinded by race is you. Tell the truth: You believed this report when you first heard it. \*\*You have a desperate need to believe it still, to believe that the bad white patriarchs they told you about in women’s studies really were raping, and do rape, black sisters at horrific rates. \*\*Everyone, but everyone, on here knows that if there were statistics indicating a true plague of white-on-black rape, you and your ilk would yield to no one in your haste to declare this latest rape just another manifestation of the statistically prevalent sexualized violence against black gals. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/59ef9b/32.png) [@Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_fight_the_hypothetical)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344/240 "2006-05-31T00:07:24Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] But I had seen musings very similar to **pantom** ’s well before I ever conceived of this thread. And why would _I_ “…[make] a connection between his name and the content of his posts…” when I don’t believe any such connection exists? [/QUOTE] I must admit being a bit mystified myself as to your motivations. You seem to have set this subject on slow boil and are standing back far enough to keep from getting burned. Not accusing just wondering. I don’t particularly care one way or the other about **Huerta88** , but in fairness the link between him and Nazism seems a bit far fetched. Even were you to see his posts as racially bent a bit (I don’t, whole cart) it’s a far cry from Nazism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huerta88-your-handle-hurts-you/358344.md?page=13)