# Huge successes then, completely forgotten now **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 5, 2010, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315 "2010-08-05T19:32:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/221 "2010-08-18T02:27:49Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > > [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > > > id Software is still one of the biggest PC developers in the world. > > From wiki entry: > > On June 24, 2009, it was announced that id Software had been acquired by ZeniMax Media. The deal would eventually affect publishing deals id Software had before the acquisition, namely Rage, which was being published through Electronic Arts. I’m not sure what that has to do with anything. Id is still working on Rage (it was just given a release date this weekend) along with Doom 4, a bunch of iPhone projects and the next generation of their idTech engine. ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/222 "2010-08-18T04:15:27Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > > [@Superhal](#): > > > > From wiki entry: > > > > On June 24, 2009, it was announced that id Software had been acquired by ZeniMax Media. The deal would eventually affect publishing deals id Software had before the acquisition, namely Rage, which was being published through Electronic Arts. > > I’m not sure what that has to do with anything. Id is still working on Rage (it was just given a release date this weekend) along with Doom 4, a bunch of iPhone projects and the next generation of their idTech engine. It means they no longer exist. When Up and Toy Story 3 came out, they weren’t successes for Pixar. They were successes for Disney. ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/223 "2010-08-18T04:33:23Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > > [@The New and Improved Superman](#): > > > > **Tie-dyes**. A 60s craze that came back & was arguably even more popular in the 80s than it was in its’ “60s heyday.” I can’t remember the last time I saw one. > > You can’t remember the last time you saw a tie-dye shirt? Do you never leave the house and don’t watch any TV. They’re by no means popular any more, but I can’t say as if I’ve ever gone a whole week without seeing at least one. I see them all the time. TheKid and her friends all live in tie-dyes and drug rugs. I prefer it over the all black skater crap they wore a few years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/224 "2010-08-18T04:35:39Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > When Up and Toy Story 3 came out, they weren’t successes for Pixar. They were successes for Disney. You’re talking out your ass. Pixar was acquired as a subsidiary, not absorbed by the freakin’ Borg, and it still very much exists. It has its own management and (more importantly) creative team, and enjoys co-branding side by side with its parent company. Furthermore, Disney has its own separate animation studio apart from Pixar. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/225 "2010-08-18T12:08:57Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > > [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > > > I’m not sure what that has to do with anything. Id is still working on Rage (it was just given a release date this weekend) along with Doom 4, a bunch of iPhone projects and the next generation of their idTech engine. > > It means they no longer exist. When Up and Toy Story 3 came out, they weren’t successes for Pixar. They were successes for Disney. No longer exist? Id Software may have merged with another company, but they’re still run with complete autonomy and John Carmack has final say on all things id, just as he always had. They even held their annual QuakeCon expo this weekend. It was the same as it ever was. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/226 "2010-08-18T12:36:11Z")
Not quite the same thing, but since I was talking about stuff like this with some friends just last night over beers at Trafalgar Tavern: Titanic (1997 - good god, has it already been 13 years?) is the second-highest grossing film of all time, and only beaten out last year. It won a boatload (heh) of awards (except best actor/actress). Would you sit and watch it again? For someone that played James Bond in multiple 007 films, Timothy Dalton isn’t really heard from all that much anymore… ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/227 "2010-08-18T13:11:44Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Not quite the same thing, but since I was talking about stuff like this with some friends just last night over beers at Trafalgar Tavern: Titanic (1997 - good god, has it already been 13 years?) is the second-highest grossing film of all time, and only beaten out last year. It won a boatload (heh) of awards (except best actor/actress). Would you sit and watch it again? I would, but that’s just me. But I know what you’re saying – and I’ve read some things recently (maybe on this board) reflecting on the possibility that _Lord of the Rings_ is heading down the same road. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/228 "2010-08-18T13:21:08Z")
Zenith. Used to be one of the standard bearers in the home electronics world. But I can’t remember the last time I saw a Zenith television. Also is ICQ still around? I seem to remember that it was a pretty popular chat-type service in the late 90s (think an early version of Facebook). But I can’t remember the last time I heard someone refer to it. ---
**Author:** ![kidneyfailure](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9f8e36/32.png) [@kidneyfailure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidneyfailure)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/229 "2010-08-18T13:45:50Z")
> [@The New and Improved Superman](#): > > \*\*. They were all the rage in the early 80s, in my youth. You’d never know that now from any 80s nostalgia movies or specials. Never even gets mentioned as being part of pop culture. One of those VH1 specials about the 80s even makes a passing mention of the English Beat and refers to them as a New Wave band! Ska enjoyed a brief revival in the US around 1996 or 1997. (I’m ashamed to admit that I was involved) Many people still remember No Doubt as a “ska band.” I don’t think Ska is as dead as is thought. Reggae certainly isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/230 "2010-08-18T23:13:47Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > > [@Superhal](#): > > > > When Up and Toy Story 3 came out, they weren’t successes for Pixar. They were successes for Disney. > > You’re talking out your ass. Pixar was acquired as a subsidiary, not absorbed by the freakin’ Borg, and it still very much exists. It has its own management and (more importantly) creative team, and enjoys co-branding side by side with its parent company. Furthermore, Disney has its own separate animation studio apart from Pixar. > [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > > [@Superhal](#): > > > > It means they no longer exist. When Up and Toy Story 3 came out, they weren’t successes for Pixar. They were successes for Disney. > > No longer exist? Id Software may have merged with another company, but they’re still run with complete autonomy and John Carmack has final say on all things id, just as he always had. > > They even held their annual QuakeCon expo this weekend. It was the same as it ever was. So I guess in your universes, Hong Kong is still a democracy? ---
**Author:** ![LC\_Strawhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@LC\_Strawhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LC_Strawhouse)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/231 "2010-08-18T23:53:56Z")
That tribute song for Princess Diana (Candle in the Wind) was also a massive #1 hit and record breaker (biggest single of all time according to the Guinness book), but made no real impact and is now forgotten. The same thing might apply to Diana herself, actually. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_s\_Son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19adc/32.png) [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/232 "2010-08-19T02:34:11Z")
Here is an article from a 1994 issue of "American Heritage"magazine on the October, 1926 visit to America by Queen Marie of Romania Arrival in New York City was described by NY Times as “Most relentless camera bombardment”. 21 gun salute, ticket tape parade escorted by 600 policemen to City Hall where Mayor Jimmy Walker gave her the Gold Medal of New York. Went to Washington and met President Coolidge twice, who dreaded her coming. Visits in other cities before large crowds, such as having a mountain named after her in Denver. Depression came and no one cared about Romania. 12 years later, she was dead. [http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1994/6/1994\_6\_110.shtml](http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1994/6/1994_6_110.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![Noel\_Prosequi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b19c9b/32.png) [@Noel\_Prosequi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noel_Prosequi)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/233 "2010-08-19T02:48:42Z")
THe musical still undergoes the occasional revival (see _Moulin Rouge, Evita_). But particular subclasses have just vanished. The Busby Berkeley musical is now dead in the water, yet at the time, Warner Brothers built one of the largest sound stages ever for him. And Bob Fosse choreography, with all the jazz hands, stooped shoulders, neck popping and hat flipping. Watch _Sweet Charity_ and see how badly dated it all is. No-one could credibly choreograph like that anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/234 "2010-08-19T02:48:49Z")
> [@Jim\_s\_Son](#): > > Here is an article from a 1994 issue of "American Heritage"magazine on the October, 1926 visit to America by Queen Marie of Romania > > Arrival in New York City was described by NY Times as “Most relentless camera bombardment”. > 21 gun salute, ticket tape parade escorted by 600 policemen to City Hall where Mayor Jimmy Walker gave her the Gold Medal of New York. Went to Washington and met President Coolidge twice, who dreaded her coming. Visits in other cities before large crowds, such as having a mountain named after her in Denver. > > Depression came and no one cared about Romania. 12 years later, she was dead. > > [http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1994/6/1994\_6\_110.shtml](http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1994/6/1994_6_110.shtml) A decade and a half later, [Madame Chiang Kai-Shek](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soong_May-ling) of China had much the same reception if not bigger, and FDR likewise considered her a headache. China fell, the US got bogged down in Vietnam, and the Chiangs lost quite a bit of their luster, to say the least. But Madame Chiang survived into the 21st century. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/235 "2010-09-12T16:11:02Z")
> [@Cunctator](#): > > > [@salinqmind](#): > > > > Here’s one: fondue pots, with a little sterno flame to melt the cheese. > > They never went out of fashion at Swiss and Austrian restaurants, but they’re enjoying a renaissance here at the moment at private dinner parties. I’ve encountered fondue on the menu at three dinners so far this winter. Went to a fondue restaurant last night. AWESOME!!! ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/236 "2010-09-12T18:06:19Z")
[Or the guy they mention here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm5ZLv_S1KE#t=2m38s) ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/237 "2010-09-12T20:57:34Z")
> [@LC\_Strawhouse](#): > > This might have been a regional thing, but Roots Athletics clothing (with the picture of the beaver) was more popular than breathing for a couple of years in the 80s. Roots still has over 100 locations in Canada. Someone must be buying that stuff. (I think I have a toque and some shirts from there.) ---
**Author:** ![ioioio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ioioio/32/316_2.png) [@ioioio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ioioio)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/238 "2010-09-12T20:59:48Z")
> [@C.Montgomery\_Burns](#): > > David Ball - _Thinkin’ Problem_, _Look What Followed Me Home_, _When The Thought Of You Catches Up With Me_ were some of his hits. Not heard of since about '96, except for a one off hit with _Riding With Private Malone_ in 2001. David Ball has a cult following that predates his CW career. He was a member of the legendary [Uncle Walt’s Band](http://www.amazon.com/American-Texas-Revisited-Uncle-Walts/dp/B000006JDB). Not huge, but definitely not forgotten. Does anyone remember 1960s teen model [Colleen Corby](http://citizensvoice.com/arts-living/colleen-corby-teen-fashion-icon-of-the-1960s-1.215293)? No doubt many popular models have aged and disappeared into obscurity, but she was the IT girl when it mattered to me. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/239 "2010-09-12T22:03:15Z")
> [@Bearflag70](#): > > Paul Hogan Those first two _Crocodile Dundee_ movies were huge. Until today I wasn’t aware there was a third. The first two grossed about 600 million worldwide. I wonder why Hogan vanished. He has two film credits after the final _Dundee_ and Linda Kozlowski disappeared altogether after that film. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315/240 "2010-09-12T23:53:12Z")
The _Tarzan_ TV series of the 1960s. Ron Eli was a _great_ Tarzan, & the series spawned several full-length motion pictures, but now? Poof. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huge-successes-then-completely-forgotten-now/549315.md?page=13)