# Huh, apparently Hitler really did have the Spear of Destiny. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 17, 2007, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huh-apparently-hitler-really-did-have-the-spear-of-destiny/396289 "2007-03-17T01:51:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2007, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huh-apparently-hitler-really-did-have-the-spear-of-destiny/396289/1 "2007-03-17T01:51:06Z")
I recently bought _Constantine_ (a highly under-rated movie) and after watching it I decided to look up the Spear of Longinus on Wikipedia. > **[Holy Lance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear_of_Destiny)** > > The Holy Lance, also known as the Spear of Longinus (named after Saint Longinus), the Spear of Destiny, or the Holy Spear, is the lance that pierced the side of Jesus as he hung on the cross during his crucifixion. As with other instruments of the Passion, the lance is only briefly mentioned in the New Testament, but later became the subject of extrabiblical traditions in the medieval church. Relics purported to be the lance began to appear as early as the 6th century, originally in Jerusalem. B... > [@](#): > > During the Anschluss, when Austria was annexed to Germany, Adolf Hitler took the lance. It was returned to Austria by American General George S. Patton after World War II and is currently in the Kunsthistorisches Museum. I like to imagine Patton finally capturing the spear from Hitler after an epic fist-fight on top of a speeding tank. Don’cha just love those Nazis? I will honestly not be surprised when the secret Nazi zombie-super-soldier project being conducted on the dark side of the moon is finally revealed. ---
**Author:** ![mamboman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecb155/32.png) [@mamboman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mamboman)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2007, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huh-apparently-hitler-really-did-have-the-spear-of-destiny/396289/2 "2007-03-17T02:06:26Z")
I thought Hitler had the Speer of Destiny. mm ---
**Author:** ![Gorgon\_Heap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f475e1/32.png) [@Gorgon\_Heap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorgon_Heap)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2007, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huh-apparently-hitler-really-did-have-the-spear-of-destiny/396289/3 "2007-03-17T02:47:59Z")
And _I_ thought Hitler had Hammurabi’s Clavichord of Ravening Socialist Propaganda. I guess that one’s still locked in the Third Lost Tomb of Napoleon somewhere on Easter Island. ---
**Author:** ![badkittypriestess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8baadc/32.png) [@badkittypriestess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badkittypriestess)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2007, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huh-apparently-hitler-really-did-have-the-spear-of-destiny/396289/4 "2007-03-17T03:02:51Z")
Damn! Hubby and in-laws were discussing this just about an hour ago! Spooky! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2007, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huh-apparently-hitler-really-did-have-the-spear-of-destiny/396289/5 "2007-03-17T03:06:42Z")
[QUOTE=Muad’Dib] I like to imagine Patton finally capturing the spear from Hitler after an epic fist-fight on top of a speeding tank. [/QUOTE] Not me. Remember the scene where Indiana Jones shoots the swordsman ? Hitler : “I hold the Spear of Destiny ! I cannot be beaten ! My triumph is -” \< BANG \> \< _urrrrk_ \> \< thud \> Patton : “This ain’t the Dark Ages, pal.” ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2007, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huh-apparently-hitler-really-did-have-the-spear-of-destiny/396289/6 "2007-03-17T07:14:27Z")
[QUOTE=mamboman] I thought Hitler had the Speer of Destiny. mm [/QUOTE] You’re going to Heil for that pun 😛 ---
**Author:** ![TPWombat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbce88/32.png) [@TPWombat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TPWombat)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2007, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huh-apparently-hitler-really-did-have-the-spear-of-destiny/396289/7 "2007-03-17T09:55:50Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] Not me. Remember the scene where Indiana Jones shoots the swordsman ? Hitler : “I hold the Spear of Destiny ! I cannot be beaten ! My triumph is -” \< BANG \> \< _urrrrk_ \> \< thud \> Patton : “This ain’t the Dark Ages, pal.” [/QUOTE] I prefer Patton : “Here’s a trick mother never showed you.” ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2007, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huh-apparently-hitler-really-did-have-the-spear-of-destiny/396289/8 "2007-03-17T12:19:24Z")
Yeah, Hitler had the great Spear of Longinus, fabled Christian relic of unimaginable holy power… …And he ended up a hunk of his skull sitting in a shoebox in Commie Central for the better part of a century. (After aforementioned godless Red Hordes conquered, ravaged, and basically annexed half his empire.) Think about it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2007, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huh-apparently-hitler-really-did-have-the-spear-of-destiny/396289/9 "2007-03-17T12:41:32Z")
If Hitler was an Evangelion character, who would he be? I’m guessing Shinji’s dad. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2007, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huh-apparently-hitler-really-did-have-the-spear-of-destiny/396289/10 "2007-03-17T14:49:09Z")
Alas for a good story, I believe the Wikipedia quote is practically lifted from our one source of the Hitler-Spear legend: Trevor Ravenscroft’s THE SPEAR OF DESTINY. Was Hitler interested in the Spear and the Grail? Maybe. Did he have the Spear conficated? Maybe. Trouble is- I have yet to see any credible source for both claims. And btw, it is certain that said Spear is NOT “The Spear”- that IIRC it is MAYBE from the time of Charlamagne (which is pretty cool), but it does hold a nail fragment that MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, was part of one of The Nails (but not likely). ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2007, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huh-apparently-hitler-really-did-have-the-spear-of-destiny/396289/11 "2007-03-17T23:10:02Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] If Hitler was an Evangelion character, who would he be? I’m guessing Shinji’s dad. [/QUOTE] Reminds me of a line I saw on another website. “Apparently, Longinus was sixty feet tall and the most badass Roman _ever_ !” ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2007, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huh-apparently-hitler-really-did-have-the-spear-of-destiny/396289/12 "2007-03-18T01:13:18Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] Reminds me of a line I saw on another website. “Apparently, Longinus was sixty feet tall and the most badass Roman _ever_ !” [/QUOTE] As someone here once quoted Bill Hicks as saying, “A guy says, “I hate Jews,” and I said, “Why?” He goes, “Because they killed my God.” They believe that. If I believed that the Jews killed my God, I’d worship the Jews, 'cause shit, there’s some badasses on that team, man.” 😃 Anyway—anyone else see _Untergang_? Gendo was clearly Goebbels, not Hitler. I can _totally_ see _Asuka_ screaming "Bring me Fegelein! Fegelein! _Fegelein!"_, though. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2007, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/huh-apparently-hitler-really-did-have-the-spear-of-destiny/396289/13 "2007-03-18T18:26:23Z")
> [@](#): > > by **Ranchoth** > Yeah, Hitler had the great Spear of Longinus, fabled Christian relic of unimaginable holy power… > > …And he ended up a hunk of his skull sitting in a shoebox in Commie Central for the better part of a century. (After aforementioned godless Red Hordes conquered, ravaged, and basically annexed half his empire.) > > Think about it. I used to know a guy who was into the occult. His theory of World War II: “The swastika is a powerful symbol of good magic. By making all of those flags and armbands with swastikas on them, the Nazis ensured that the good guys would win the war.”