Human barbeques Neanderthal = cannibalism?

You may be interested in a real paleoanthropologist’s take on the cannibalism report"

http://johnhawks.net/node/1993

I’m sure anyone who is interested is well aware of the drubbing Nature took over this one. They can certainly find the required information with a simple search. Probably not in Wikipedia though.

WTF are you talking about, boy?
When did I ever dispute that Neanderthals and humans might be the same species. I was in fact the first person to state that many taxonomists consider them to be the same species, and I stated that explicitly and clearly.
Look, Derleth, you’ve admitted that you don’t have sufficient knowledge in this area, and you apparently can’t understand clearly written statements like “large numbers [of zoologists] believe that they are [the same species]”.

At this juncture it might be best if you simply remained quiet while those of us who can contribute actual, factual answers do so.

They are Tupinamba Indians, in Brazil, and the bearded fellow is a German, Hans Staden, who was held captive by them in the mid-1550s. After his escape he wrote an account of his adventures which described Tupinamba cannibalism. The image shows the Tupinamba tribal hairstyle.

I don’t think Staden is so much trying to convince them they are wrong as distressed at the thought that he might be next. (Or maybe he’s upset he didn’t get a drumstick.)

The engraving linked to is from a later reprint of his work published by Theodore de Bry, in his multi-volume compendium of early exploration, known as Americas.

Blake, you’re the one who said the definition of the term species is entirely subjective. Obviously it is not, or else real biologists wouldn’t bother debating over whether Neanderthals and humans are the same species.

:rolleyes:

It is better to remain silent…

There can be no answer to this question. Humans would never have barbecued Neanderthals.

Back then you just couldn’t get the right marinades.

Au contraire, perhaps the Neanderthal’s came pre-cooked. :dubious:

Ah, thanks for that. I had worked myself up to the Hans Staden connection, but couldn’t find any explanation for the hairstyles; no picture I found of the Tupi people seemed to show anything similar, but then again, my search was probably less than exhaustive.

I don’t what kind of hairstyles the Tupinamba/Tupi use today. (I believe they are mostly assimilated into Brazilian society.) I presume that the depiction in de Bry was based on some description in Staden’s account. (But it could have been based on some other description of Indians. De Bry was not known for anthropological accuracy.)