# Human Branching **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 15, 2004, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395 "2004-06-15T00:04:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Atticus\_Finch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/141 "2004-06-18T00:25:40Z")
**Hellothere** , your topic is “Human Branching”. You use the word branch in just about every post you make. So, what is a branch of humanity? We cannot discuss this at all until you say what you mean by this. It’s not that my mind is closed and I’m trying to put you down, I just want to know what you’re talking about. What are examples of branches? ‘White’, ‘Black’, ‘Asian’ and ‘Semitic’? How many branches are there? Please, define branch ---
**Author:** ![hellothere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9de053/32.png) [@hellothere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hellothere)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/142 "2004-06-18T00:25:47Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > Can we have links directly to peer-reviewed articles? Otherwise we’re all trawling through them trying to work out what’s what. As you know which have respectabel academic standing, you can easily direct us to them All articles on this page have links… [http://www.humanbranching.com/human-branching.htm](http://www.humanbranching.com/human-branching.htm) This is the 3rd or 4th time people have had a problem with this “peer reviewed” article thing… yet the whole time the link has existed with the exact same information. I just don’t get how people can be so ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/143 "2004-06-18T00:27:34Z")
OK, so what _exactly_ are you saying we should do about these branches? - Seek to reproduce within them? - Seek to reproduce outside them? - Not seek to do anything specific at all? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/144 "2004-06-18T00:30:59Z")
You still haven’t answered my question, **hellothere.** What would you consider a specific example of “extreme multi-racialist” “hate speech”? ---
**Author:** ![hellothere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9de053/32.png) [@hellothere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hellothere)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/145 "2004-06-18T00:31:05Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > Cite? > > The last “peer reviewed” evidence we saw was an entry into a nationally funded scientific journal, and the “peer review” almost unanimously panned the entry as scientific rubbish. So let’s see these peer reviews. Peer Reviewed, a definition: If your racist doctoral degreed friends review your article and agree with it, then your article qualifies as “peer reviewed.” You are stretching so hard I’m waiting to hear the snap. I have linked 9 items on this webpage. [http://www.humanbranching.com/human-branching.htm](http://www.humanbranching.com/human-branching.htm) Anybody can go to the source of the items I pasted onto this page because I provided the links. I provided 9 different links with similar information because that, itself, shows the accepted trend of understanding regarding human genetic history and branching. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/146 "2004-06-18T00:32:21Z")
I don’t think I’m going to feed this one any more. ---
**Author:** ![hellothere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9de053/32.png) [@hellothere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hellothere)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/147 "2004-06-18T00:32:59Z")
> [@Zagadka](#): > > Cite? I’m getting really, really close to no longer responding to you. Your agenda is crystal clear. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/148 "2004-06-18T00:35:52Z")
> [@hellothere](#): > > Peer Reviewed, a definition: > > If your racist doctoral degreed friends review your article and agree with it, then your article qualifies as “peer reviewed.” > > You are stretching so hard I’m waiting to hear the snap. I have linked 9 items on this webpage. > > [http://www.humanbranching.com/human-branching.htm](http://www.humanbranching.com/human-branching.htm) > Anybody can go to the source of the items I pasted onto this page because I provided the links. I provided 9 different links with similar information because that, itself, shows the accepted trend of understanding regarding human genetic history and branching. Yep, your links are all about how humans have branched. Now, please define a branch so we can continue. What %age must the DNA be strictly within to be in the same branch? ---
**Author:** ![hellothere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9de053/32.png) [@hellothere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hellothere)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/149 "2004-06-18T00:38:31Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Nope. Never said you shouldn’t think about it. I said why worry about it-- ie, you think about it, realize that it simply doesn’t matter, and then get on with the important things in life. You still don’t see it. You are engaged in multi-racial extremism. You are inciting hatred towards those who don’t just “realize it simply doesn’t matter.” You essentially take the position that if people don’t “realize it simply doesn’t matter” then their is something wrong with them - this is precisely the multi-racial extremism I’m talking about. It’s the complete disrespect for human genetic branching. If you don’t wish to think about human genetic branching, fine, it is the simple minded pathway. If you respect when other people “decide it does matter” then I have no gripe with you at all, and we are at compeltely harmony and peace. If you can do that you are not an extreme multi-racialist. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/150 "2004-06-18T00:38:35Z")
> [@hellothere](#): > > I’m getting really, really close to no longer responding to you. Your agenda is crystal clear. To ask for cites about your claims? We do that a lot around here, because people have a tendancy to make wild claims without any background or supporting data. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/151 "2004-06-18T00:38:42Z")
> [@hellothere](#): > > I’m getting really, really close to no longer responding to you. Your agenda is crystal clear. **I** was the one who asked you for a cite, **hellothere,** not **Zagadka.** And I repeat my question, which is a perfectly fair one. You say “Jews own most major media outlets.” That is the kind of statement you should be prepared to back up – the more so as the ownership of major media outlets is very much a matter of public record. What hard proof is there that Jews own most – not just some or many, but most – major media outlets? I have no “agenda.” I’m not Jewish. If Jews do own most major media outlets, that would be a moderately important fact to know – just as it is moderately important that most of the first generation of leading neoconservative intellectuals were secular Jews and fomer Trotskyite socialists. (We’ve had threads discussing that.) ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/152 "2004-06-18T00:43:08Z")
> [@hellothere](#): > > You still don’t see it. > > You are engaged in multi-racial extremism. > > You are inciting hatred towards those who don’t just “realize it simply doesn’t matter.” > > You essentially take the position that if people don’t “realize it simply doesn’t matter” then their is something wrong with them - this is precisely the multi-racial extremism I’m talking about. > > It’s the complete disrespect for human genetic branching. If you don’t wish to think about human genetic branching, fine, it is the simple minded pathway. > > If you respect when other people “decide it does matter” then I have no gripe with you at all, and we are at compeltely harmony and peace. > > If you can do that you are not an extreme multi-racialist. Let me get this straight… Multi-racialists are guilty of making racists feel bad about their sick beliefs on segregating people, and are thus bad. That’s like saying kitten cuddlism is evil O\_o ---
**Author:** ![MelCthefirst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@MelCthefirst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MelCthefirst)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/153 "2004-06-18T00:48:05Z")
Hellothere, can you add to this branch profile of yourself (the unique genetic information we’re not privy to pershaps)?: European descent Single Male Doesn’t get sex very often Around 18 - 23 First year uni student Never lived outside birth country Never visited a foreign country Friends mostly male and straight Lives in rural area Speaks only one language Votes republican Homophobic Not much life experience yet Also, who would you be allowed to mate with? ---
**Author:** ![hellothere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9de053/32.png) [@hellothere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hellothere)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/154 "2004-06-18T00:50:17Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Lets cut to the chase; imagine two parallel Earths that start out the same as our own; > > - On Earth 1, people are strongly coerced to reproduce within their own ‘branch’ (leaving aside for the moment that you still haven’t actually provided any kind of sensiible definition of ‘branch’) and this coercion is (say) 99.9% successful > > - On Earth 2, people are allowed to do whatever they choose - a few of them, for reasons of their own, deliberately choose to reproduce within their own ‘branch’ (and they are allowed to do this), others deliberately choose to reproduce outside of it (and they are allowed to do this), but the vast majority simply don’t give a flying toss about ‘branches’ and reproduce with whoever they happen to choose as a long-term partner (and they are allowed to do this) - sometimes this will happen to be another person within their ‘branch’, sometimes it will not. > > Earth 2 is (in my opinion) the place that is operating more sanely and is (in my opinion) a nicer place to live; what, if any, awful doom would you prognosticate for Earth 2 that will be escaped by Earth 1? Your not sane. How you come up with this nonsense from what is written on that website shows that you are a multi-racial extremist. You are drawing at straws because you fear human genetic branching. It is nothing to fear, get over it. It’s here to stay - and it never went anywhere. It’s been here your whole life. ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/155 "2004-06-18T00:53:51Z")
> [@hellothere](#): > > Your not sane. > > How you come up with this nonsense from what is written on that website shows that you are a multi-racial extremist. You are drawing at straws because you fear human genetic branching. It is nothing to fear, get over it. It’s here to stay - and it never went anywhere. It’s been here your whole life. Since you refuse to define what you are talking about, much less the terms involved, it is rather difficult for us to understand you. From our point of view, you want this: To educate and encourage children to selectively breed within their “branch” (race?), in order to retain the herditary diversity of the planet and the survivial of the “branch.” How is that different from his example of Earth 1? ---
**Author:** ![hellothere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9de053/32.png) [@hellothere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hellothere)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/156 "2004-06-18T00:55:37Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > I’d also be interested to know your opinion on ‘Hybrid Vigour’: > > So remind me again; why would we want to prevent the branches from recombining? All of you are completely delusional… Somehow your media brainwashing leads you to your pre-programmed algorithms of “Oh, this is just another person who wants to prevent all multi-racial relationships.” When I refer to you all as insane, you have to understand my perspective. You are out there in space. You don’t even understand what it is we are talking about. we are talking about [www.humanbranching.com](http://www.humanbranching.com). Regarding “hybrid vigor” this sounds precisely like a German who suggests that their are “superior.” “Hybrid Vigor” is an extreme multi-racial concept - it’s multi-racial racism (We are superior multi-racialists). Is it possible that the Germans are superior in some ways as compared to some other groups? Is it possible that some multi-racialists are superior in some ways as compared to some other branches? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/157 "2004-06-18T00:56:07Z")
> [@hellothere](#): > > Your not sane. > > How you come up with this nonsense from what is written on that website shows that you are a multi-racial extremist. You are drawing at straws because you fear human genetic branching. It is nothing to fear, get over it. It’s here to stay - and it never went anywhere. It’s been here your whole life. **hellothere,** you will get further in this debate if you stop calling other posters “insane” and tell us something comprehensible about your argument. Which you have not yet don, and we’re now on the fourth page of this thread. As for human genetic branching, it is not here to stay, it is a thing of the past – the long, long past. The present trend is towards the “branches” of humanity either staying the way they are, or converging, or both – that is, a main core of each branch continuing to mate within the branch, with a lot of cross-breeding around the edges. If there is any “branching” in the future, it will take place on a geological time scale – meaning contemporary social policy of any state or society will be completely irrelevant to the process. ---
**Author:** ![hellothere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9de053/32.png) [@hellothere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hellothere)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/158 "2004-06-18T00:58:10Z")
> [@SentientMeat](#): > > **hellothere** , are you proposing any kind of taxon below the level of ‘species’ which is universal to that taxonomic group and manifests itself in **more than one** genetic characteristic such as eye or hair colour or epidermal melanin level? it’s called sub-species… isn’t it? If there are “not enough” genetic differences to refer to different human groups as sub-species, then we can just refer to them as branches. I don’t care what word we use. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/159 "2004-06-18T00:58:27Z")
> [@hellothere](#): > > Regarding “hybrid vigor” this sounds precisely like a German who suggests that their are “superior.” “Hybrid Vigor” is an extreme multi-racial concept - it’s multi-racial racism (We are superior multi-racialists). Then, would defending the “hybrid vigor” theory count as what you would consider an example of multi-racialist hate speech? To be punished, the way a Nazi might be punished for painting a swastika on a synagogue? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395/160 "2004-06-18T01:01:02Z")
And how about them Jews owning the media? Come on, **hellothere!** At least give us something with enough content that we can judge it true or false! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/human-branching/250395.md?page=9)