# Humanity hits new low- paedophile sex dolls **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 18, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649 "2018-04-18T16:59:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/1 "2018-04-18T16:59:42Z")
Something that actually surpasses the furry/plushy fandom to take the trophy for highest coefficient of disturbing and pathetic. Japanese company called Trottla. Image search if you dare (and no one’s tracking your browser history). ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/2 "2018-04-18T17:12:57Z")
I read about these sometime ago and my reaction was pretty much same as yours. However apparently the idea is that with these dolls the pedos stay away from actual kids, so in that sense I wouldn’t condemn this too harshly. But yes, it sounds pretty disturbing at first and will be used as propaganda. The comments below the story were fuming. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/3 "2018-04-18T17:14:00Z")
What’s the problem with it? It’s not hurting anybody, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/4 "2018-04-18T17:18:49Z")
If you want one of these in Israel you are out of luck–they won’t ship to Israel because “[idolatry is a violation of the Jewish religion](https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wdpa3x/japan-trottla-dolls-lifesize-lingerie).” [Price is $6,700](http://www.trottla.net/eOverseasexport.html), and shipping ranges from several hundred to a few thousand dollars, unless you live in North or South Korea, in which case shipping is $50,000,000. (He _really_ doesn’t want to sell to North or South Korea.) ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/5 "2018-04-18T17:28:48Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > What’s the problem with it? It’s not hurting anybody, is it? This is the pretty much the only time that I’M afraid of slippery slope. I’m not saying that pedos should be stoned to death just for being pedos. If somebody’s a pedo, OK, I don’t care. However, if somebody molests a child that’s completely different and unforgivable. We don’t want this to become just a minor kink for ‘adventurous’ types just like S/M or something. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/6 "2018-04-18T17:37:41Z")
I don’t understand what you mean. The existance of these dolls will make more people paedophiles? ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/7 "2018-04-18T17:43:19Z")
Ok, I’ll bite. Would you prefer that pedophiles enact their fantasies with real children instead of inanimate dolls? Child sex dolls actually made the news in Canada about a year ago. A newfie named Kenneth Harrison ordered one from Japan, and when it was delivered by law enforcement, the police arrested him and charged him with child pornography. The case is still dragging through the courts, there’s no ruling yet from what I can find on google. > [@SaneBill](#): > > We don’t want this to become just a minor kink for ‘adventurous’ types just like S/M or something. This is a “minor kink” that a huge majority of the population finds disgusting on a very deep level and that many people routinely suggest curing with a bullet to the head. I don’t even see a slope here, never mind a slippery one. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/8 "2018-04-18T18:01:08Z")
I guess the question is whether this is analogous to methadone for a heroin addict, that will quell the craving with out the harm of the actual drug, or whether it is akin to the first glass of wine to a 12 stepper alcoholic which will remind him how good it feels and seek out stronger stuff via pornography of actual acts. I honestly have no idea and would probably defer to the a consensus opinion of psychological experts on the subject pedophilia. Before forming an opinion one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/9 "2018-04-18T18:01:55Z")
How did the cops know what it was? Did someone open the package (maybe in customs?) or is the delivery packaging explicit? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/10 "2018-04-18T18:09:52Z")
It had “Definitely NOT a child sex doll” on the outside packaging. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/11 "2018-04-18T18:10:06Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I don’t understand what you mean. The existance of these dolls will make more people paedophiles? Truth to be told, I’m not sure what I’m saying. It’s pretty emotional subject and reading my previous comments even they are a little dissonant. Maybe I should be able to think this cool-headed because as far as I know, I’ve never met any pedos or their victims, but still it’s disturbing. But there are, as I said, adventurous types who might get a doll just for the heck of it, if it’s losing it’s stigma. Maybe somebody gets a novelty gift or something and thinks why not to try it. And I don’t know to what that leads. Why bait something that _might_ be just under the surface. But yes, I probably don’t really know what I’m talking about… > [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > This is a “minor kink” that a huge majority of the population finds disgusting on a very deep level and that many people routinely suggest curing with a bullet to the head. I don’t even see a slope here, never mind a slippery one. Like I said I don’t think it’s a minor kink, but am afraid it will become one. You know, like in ancient Greece. Sure, it would take a lot of time and honestly I’ve no idea how Greek kids took it at the time psychologically. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/12 "2018-04-18T18:13:38Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > Truth to be told, I’m not sure what I’m saying. It’s pretty emotional subject and reading my previous comments even they are a little dissonant Well, I appreciate your honesty. But I don’t see what’s so emotional about it. It’s plastic and rubber and who knows what else. It’s not a real person, child or otherwise. There are actual real children getting hurt out there, and the concern is over some plastic doll? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/13 "2018-04-18T18:18:13Z")
Maybe they could try selling them out of pizza shops in Washington DC. Nothing could go wrong with that, right? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/14 "2018-04-18T18:18:44Z")
First – did anybody else following the news lately initially read the title as “Hannity hits new low”? (Something has been making my eyes itch and water today, which may explain it.) Second, I see a potential problem with the dolls being used as “examples” to present the idea as “normal” to actual children (i.e. “See how I play with the doll? Now, let’s us play just like that…”). :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/15 "2018-04-18T18:22:47Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > How did the cops know what it was? Did someone open the package (maybe in customs?) or is the delivery packaging explicit? The Japanese company was apparently on a Canadian watch list. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/16 "2018-04-18T18:32:29Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > There are actual real children getting hurt out there, and the concern is over some plastic doll? I don’t care a bit about plastic dolls, not way or another. Just as long it stays as plastic dolls. Or drawings, or photo-realistic paintings or whatever. If a person is already a full-blown pedo, fine, use away. It’s the next step - if there is one - that freaks me out. This is the one group that I’m fine with pushing them into a closet. They can’t have their way in a legal way, so let’s not get them out in the open. We don’t want any bold pedos saying there’s nothing wrong with it. I better drop this subject. I’m clearly out of my depth… ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/17 "2018-04-18T18:37:05Z")
I first read this as “Hannity hits new low…” and wasn’t surprised at all. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/18 "2018-04-18T18:46:04Z")
I think such dolls are exactly what’s needed. I cannot even fathom why someone, given two seconds of non knee-jerking thought, wouldn’t agree. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/19 "2018-04-18T19:19:40Z")
I’d kinda like to see a study done to test if the availability of the dolls reduces the number of assaults. Heck, I’d like to see if there is anyone willing to write up a grant proposal for such a study. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/20 "2018-04-18T19:32:14Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > Ok, I’ll bite. Would you prefer that pedophiles enact their fantasies with real children instead of inanimate dolls? > > Child sex dolls actually made the news in Canada about a year ago. A newfie named Kenneth Harrison ordered one from Japan, and when it was delivered by law enforcement, the police arrested him and charged him with child pornography. The case is still dragging through the courts, there’s no ruling yet from what I can find on google. Seems it would be easier and safer to just kidnap a real child then. Is your life actually any less fucked for cp than for kidnapping and murder? That doesn’t seem to be a good lesson to be teaching. > [@](#): > > This is a “minor kink” that a huge majority of the population finds disgusting on a very deep level and that many people routinely suggest curing with a bullet to the head. I don’t even see a slope here, never mind a slippery one. Considering that, in order to fulfill their desires, they currently need to cause some level of harm to actual children (and even pictures taken 50 years ago is a type of harm), it seems to me that the better thing to do is to reduce the harm that they will do. They show up in every culture and every demographic, and that I am aware of, there are no patterns that make one more or less likely to have these desires. Trying to prevent people from being pedophiles seems an uphill battle. Punishing the hell out of anyone who acts on their desires in a way that causes harm is a deterrent, but it seems as though giving an alternative outlet could be an even better one, especially when combined with maintaining draconian punishments for anyone who actually does harm. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649.md?page=2)