# Humanity hits new low- paedophile sex dolls **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 18, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649 "2018-04-18T16:59:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/21 "2018-04-18T19:34:00Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I think such dolls are exactly what’s needed. I cannot even fathom why someone, given two seconds of non knee-jerking thought, wouldn’t agree. That’s what I was thinking. If the pedophiles can just use the dolls instead of actually going after real children, that would be a good thing, right? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/22 "2018-04-18T19:36:10Z")
As far as I can tell browsing the site and galleries, the dolls are “anatomically correct” in a superficial sense, but do not seem to have any usable orifices. The head seems to be a single piece with a molded shut mouth, and while there is the shape of labia major, there doesn’t seem to be any actual genital or anal openings, and the specifications don’t mention any type of removable “sleeve” thingys, which the “real doll” type adult sex dolls do, both for the genitals and ([apparently](http://www.ektopia.co.uk/ektopia/2010/07/12/honey-pie-a-look-inside-the-real-doll-factory/)) the mouth. So they really aren’t “sex dolls” unless you are into mufa’khathat. ([The bloggish page](http://www.trottla.net/diary.html) is Japanese only, but it has production photos of the heads.) [Here](https://www.dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=27393) is a discussion I found with someone who bought one. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/23 "2018-04-18T19:57:53Z")
At the risk of sounding unpopular, I’m in favor of this. My understanding is that giving people access to alternatives to abusing children will reduce the number of actual children abused. Countries that legalized child porn or rape porn saw the rates of sex crimes decline. If pedophiles have access to digitally created child porn (porn that doesn’t involve any real children in its production) and they have access to lifelike sex dolls, perhaps that means fewer real children will be abused. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/24 "2018-04-18T20:04:36Z")
I agree with the “if Hannity wants to have sex with child dolls, at least he isn’t having sex with real kids” contingent. Unless he’s having sex with real kids _too_. Then, he’s worse than I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/25 "2018-04-18T20:06:09Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > As far as I can tell browsing the site and galleries, the dolls are “anatomically correct” in a superficial sense, but do not seem to have any usable orifices. I found one where the buyer had one with a vaginal insert so they are definitely available. Not going to link it here because. Ewe. I’m with **Buck Godot** on whether it would be an effective placebo or just a stepping stone. I’ll wait for professional opinions that don’t sound like they were formed out of bias. ETA: I think there was another exposé about 6 months ago of a seller on Alibaba. That store has since shut down. Or at least changed venue. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/26 "2018-04-18T20:16:34Z")
> [@](#): > > I found one where the buyer had one with a vaginal insert so they are definitely available. Not going to link it here because. Ewe. Might be a after-market mod. I found a site that has specs on various sex dolls and the [trottla is listed](http://www.dolldataroom.org/eng-trottla.html) as having no usable openings. (And now I’m even more glad that I have Google adsense blocked.) ---
**Author:** ![ElderSign](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eldersign/32/8263_2.png) [@ElderSign](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElderSign)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/27 "2018-04-18T20:33:36Z")
Random thoughts 1- There is no evidence showing that the dolls would decrease assaults. 2- On the other side of the coin, seeing how some p0rn and sex addicts seek more weird novelties and cannot be satisfied, one could imagine such types not being satisfied with the doll and moving on to the real thing. 3- The shipping/customs/hassle/fees/cost of doll/pickup at airport hassles are cumbersome. There is a paper trail, and one could imagine government tracking shipments and opening up at point of entry or getting a database of customers. 4- All that said, the dolls- to me- are like hentai (dirty kiddie cartoons), which is legal in the U.S. since no minor is harmed or exploited. Canada is a different story, especially at Customs. Our Constitution supports personal sexual gratification in one’s home with inanimate objects. It feels like a _1984_ thought crime to bust someone for screwing around with a doll. 5- This guy was sent to jail for having a doll deemed “obscene or indecent”, and ironically it is pictured in all news outlets. [Man who imported child sex doll is jailed for 16 months | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4865318/Man-imported-child-sex-doll-jailed-16-months.html) 6- Just call them “little people” (midgets) to get around it. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/28 "2018-04-18T20:52:32Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Something that actually surpasses the furry/plushy fandom to take the trophy for highest coefficient of disturbing and pathetic. 😕 Nitpick: I fail to see what’s even the least bit “disturbing” about people liking to dress up as (non-human) animals and pretend to be animals, as long as they aren’t about sexually abusing **actual** animals. On the “disturbing” spectrum, I’d put “furries” light-years away from truly pathological tendencies like pedophilia. Is there something more questionable/abusive about furry-dom that you’re referencing that I’m just too innocent to know about? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/29 "2018-04-18T21:00:34Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Countries that legalized child porn or rape porn saw the rates of sex crimes decline. Do we have numbers on that? . ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/30 "2018-04-18T21:05:07Z")
I’m not sure how I feel about this, but how is this, as the thread title puts it, humanity hitting a new low? Wouldn’t “a new low” have to be lower than actual sex with actual children? ---
**Author:** ![Delicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delicious)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/31 "2018-04-18T21:13:39Z")
Isn’t the majority of paedophilia (or child molestation) done to family members? I’d assume in that case, it’s not likely a doll would fulfil the abuser’s requirements. Though I suppose if it works for a few paedophile so, it’s a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/32 "2018-04-18T21:35:09Z")
> [@Delicious](#): > > Isn’t the majority of paedophilia (or child molestation) done to family members? I’d assume in that case, it’s not likely a doll would fulfil the abuser’s requirements. > > Though I suppose if it works for a few paedophile so, it’s a good thing. I don’t think it is because they are family members that they are targeted, but rather, because they are family members, they are easier to target. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/33 "2018-04-18T21:40:49Z")
> [@Delicious](#): > > Isn’t the majority of paedophilia (or child molestation) done to family members? I’d assume in that case, it’s not likely a doll would fulfil the abuser’s requirements. Why not? If a significant amount of child sexual abuse occurs within families, I’d be willing to bet that a key reason for that relates to access and ease of concealment. That is, I would wager that pedophiles don’t sexually abuse family members because they have a particular attraction to family members; they abuse family members because it’s easier to get access to the children, and easier to ensure that the abuse remains secret. If that’s true, then the availability of a doll might work just fine. Edit: beaten to it by \*\*k9bfriender \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/34 "2018-04-18T21:41:23Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Well, I appreciate your honesty. > > But I don’t see what’s so emotional about it. It’s plastic and rubber and who knows what else. It’s not a real person, child or otherwise. > > There are actual real children getting hurt out there, and the concern is over some plastic doll? I understand where you’re coming from. Here’s me: There’s blow-up sex dolls (adults), been around for years. I’m sure they satisfy countless fetishes and sexual desires. They might keep sickos from raping someone. Although I’ve read that some use sex dolls to feel more comfortable when they meet a flesh and blood sex partner. Eases their unawareness. Now change the word (adults) to children in the above paragraph and see how that feels. I worry pedos might use a child sex doll for the same purpose. To feel more comfortable when they seduce a real child. So, no on these dolls for me. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/35 "2018-04-18T21:56:17Z")
The thing is that to be a child molester one doesn’t just have to be a pedo, he also has to be a psychopath. Now what are the odds to be both. And still there are a lot of them out there as we read from the papers. If these dolls normalize it even a little bit, the molesters may add to their ranks pedos that are sociopaths, and then maybe loners who don’t have no friends or family to denounce them and so on… I really don’t like that picture. I really can’t predict how this would turn out. It may be good, or it may be a disaster. We’re all guessing here. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/36 "2018-04-18T22:10:43Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Second, I see a potential problem with the dolls being used as “examples” to present the idea as “normal” to actual children (i.e. “See how I play with the doll? Now, let’s us play just like that…”). :eek: I think this fear is pretty well-founded. I feel like pedophilia is _not_ just a cultural taboo, it’s a biological/evolutionary taboo. For this reason, I don’t think it’s ever going to “become a kink” or anything like that. A fetish for post-pubescent, but pre-adult, children…_that_ might be something that’s biologically _not_ taboo, but which society has collectively decided _should_ be, because of what we know about the development of young minds. Historically, marriages between older men and teenage girls was not uncommon, nor sexual liasons between grown men and teenage boys. But those were more primitive times. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/37 "2018-04-19T00:06:25Z")
From the company’s website: > [@](#): > > We also do not trade for any other countries such as follows: > countries under **judicial systems and rules beyond our comprehension** , countries at war, or countries with policies against Japan. (bolding added) Well, that leaves out the US until the next presidential election. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/38 "2018-04-19T00:14:13Z")
For those arguing against mainstreaming such dolls, is the idea that some pedophiles who otherwise would never make the leap to molestation of children _would_ make that leap if they had access to kiddie sex dolls to use as a stepping stone? That seems rather unlikely to me. If you’re going to molest kids, you’re going to molest kids. If you’re a psychopath, you’re a psychopath. You don’t become one via a slippery slope. (altho I will admit I could be dead wrong here) Where I think these dolls might be valuable is as a form of “treatment” for non-molesting pedophiles who still struggle with their urges. It’s not to ward off any potential molestation of children but rather to make the lives of the pedophiles easier and more functional. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/39 "2018-04-19T00:15:41Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > At the risk of sounding unpopular, I’m in favor of this. My understanding is that giving people access to alternatives to abusing children will reduce the number of actual children abused. Countries that legalized child porn or rape porn saw the rates of sex crimes decline. I know I’ve heard this before, but could never find a cute, do you know one? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649/40 "2018-04-19T00:19:54Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > I know I’ve heard this before, but could never find a cute, do you know one? [Study: Pornography May Curb Child Abuse | TIME.com](http://healthland.time.com/2010/12/02/study-making-pornography-more-accessible-may-curb-child-abuse/) It’s not exactly what you are looking for but it’s something. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/humanity-hits-new-low-paedophile-sex-dolls/812649.md?page=3)