# Hunter Biden Laptop Question **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 22, 2020, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587 "2020-10-22T11:17:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/41 "2020-10-23T18:59:50Z")
Didn’t you just believe that Trump was gonna declassify everything related the the “Russia Hoax”? Now you believe the laptop is legit? I can’t wait to see what you believe next. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/42 "2020-10-23T19:05:23Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I had no idea the Straight Dope had become so filled with John Birch society members. A read of the past posts shows that most see any prepackaged Russian interference as either pushed forward by useful American idiots in power or home grown. There is really no need to assume a big hacking effort from Russia, what is happening is similar to the [“Stupid Watergate”](https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/stupid-watergate-is-worse-than-the-original) All the (“best people’s”) president’s men are doing now ‘stupid emailgate’. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/43 "2020-10-23T19:10:36Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > At least one part is specifically untrue. The Chinese deal (which you referred to in your previous post, and which had that random press conference yesterday) never happened. Here is a link discussing it: Actually the WSJ article referenced by Newsweek does say this: “…The email references “ **10 held by H for the big guy**?” Mr. Bobulinski said the “H” referred to Hunter Biden and the **“big guy” was Joe Biden**. Mr. Gilliar **didn’t respond to a request for comment** , nor did the other partner in the venture, Mr. Walker.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/44 "2020-10-23T19:17:43Z")
Still remains sketchy as hell. > **[New York Post Staff Reportedly Wanted Nothing to Do With That Fishy...](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10/new-york-post-staff-nothing-to-do-with-hunter-biden-story)** > > After the paper went ahead with a “flimsy” story that at least two journalists reportedly refused to attach their name to, tensions are high at the “propaganda outlet." > **[Trump’s Presidential Debate Surprise: Inviting a Hunter Biden Associate No...](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10/trump-biden-presidential-debate-tony-bobulinski)** > > Tony Bobulinski is probably not going to have the impact Trump thinks he is. > According to the _New York Post,_ whose **Joe Biden** coverage of late has been [panned](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10/new-york-post-staff-nothing-to-do-with-hunter-biden-story) by _New York Post_ employees, **Tony Bobulinski** [received](https://www.newsweek.com/senate-committee-looking-tony-bobulinski-after-allegations-hunter-bidens-business-partner-1541390) a May 2017 email that supposedly came from a business associate of **Hunter Biden** outlining “renumeration [sic] packages” for a Chinese venture. The email laid out how equity would be divided, with “10” going to “H” for “the big guy,” which Bobulinski claims referred to Joe Biden. Naturally his claim has not been substantiated. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/45 "2020-10-23T19:19:18Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Then there’s Hunter Biden’s ex partner, who says the E-mails are real and that ‘The Big Guy’ mentioned as getting 10% of shares in a Chinese company is Joe Biden, whose shares were to be held by Hunter so they couldn’t be traced to Joe. Are private citizens not allowed to make business deals anymore? They’re not even allowed to _consider_ business deals? Can you explain to me, like I’m a 5 year old, what anyone is alleged to have done WRONG here? Your link says that HB had “foreign business deals”, a deal that included a benefit for his _private citizen_ father, and may have arranged a meeting between a business executive and the Vice President. These are all things that are legal, not only in the super shitty “technically not a felony” way, but in the “these are normal things” way. Americans conduct foreign business deals. Americans do deals that benefit their friends and families. Government leaders meet with business executives, even ones from other countries. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/46 "2020-10-23T19:21:04Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > “…The email references “ **10 held by H for the big guy**?” Mr. Bobulinski said the “H” referred to Hunter Biden and the **“big guy” was Joe Biden**. Mr. Gilliar **didn’t respond to a request for comment** , nor did the other partner in the venture, Mr. Walker.” Well now you’re getting stories crossed (or I am). Are you talking about the WSJ Opinion article, or the news reporting about the opinion article? Because the news article pointed out that the deal referenced by Bubolinski never happened. There was no funding from China. Thus, there was no 10% held for the big guy. Is it possible that Hunter attempted to set something up like that? I guess so. Is it possible that Bubolinski thought Hunter was being shady and trying to use Joe’s name to get money from a Chinese entity? Sure. Is there any evidence whatsoever that Joe received any money? Asked for any money? Attempted to use his name to get any money? Attempted to use his position to favorably influence whatever Hunter was up to? Nope, nope, nope, and nope. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/47 "2020-10-23T19:23:12Z")
It’s a bit of a long reach, but this is perhaps one of the stupidest CT’s that the GOP and Giuliani has come up with. They are both mentally incompetent to be sure. Giuliani is clearly a moron that supports Trump. Another moron. Birds of a feather flock together. The entire GOP strategy is to throw more shit in the fan. _Some_ know how screwed they are by supporting Trump. And all they have is shit and a fan. Full stop. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/48 "2020-10-23T19:23:14Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > Mr. Gilliar **didn’t respond to a request for comment** , This part is also completely false. If you had read the story I linked, here is Mr Gilliar’s response: **“I am unaware of any involvement at any time of the former Vice President. The activity in question never delivered any project revenue.”** ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/49 "2020-10-23T19:24:28Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Are you talking about the WSJ Opinion article, or the news reporting about the opinion article? No this is **not the opinion article**. This is the **news article** referenced by Newsweek. The WSJ only says that Joe Biden is **not specifically named** but they do acknowledge that the emails appear to reference Joe Biden as the “big guy”. **Hunter Biden’s lawyer has not denied that**. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/50 "2020-10-23T19:26:05Z")
Well, of course Hunter would call Joe the “big guy”. I’m not sure what that has to do with anything… Hunter tried to get Joe 10%, and possibly used Joe’s name to try to make the deal happen. But the deal didn’t happen, and Joe didn’t get 10%. So explain to me what the corruption is? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/51 "2020-10-23T19:31:55Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Ok so _More than 50 former senior intelligence officials_ have said it is kremlin based, and the FBI - who works for trump- sez it isnt. Maybe it is GOP based fake shit. No, they didn’t. They said that their experience tells them it’s probably Russian disinfo, but that they had no actual evidence one way or another. The people who actually have seen the evidence say they don’t believe it’s Russian disinformation. And several people have come forward and verified that the emails they have seen are true. Hunter Biden’s ex business partner has said that the E-mail detailing how shares would be apportioned in a Chinese holding company was accurate, and the 10% of shares to the ‘Big Guy’, (to be held by Hunter on his behalf) was in fact Joe Biden. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/52 "2020-10-23T19:34:15Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > For the record, I thought the way the laptop was ‘found’ was sketchy as hell. That kind of scheme is a classic way to ‘launder’ evidence so that it can’t be traced. > > But that doesn’t mean it’s fake. It could just as easily mean the laptop is real, but the means by which it was acquired was illegal. Someone steals laptop, pretends to be hunter and takes it to a repair shop, waits until the return time has expired then calls a Republican like Guliani and gives him the heads’s up. > > How it was acquired is not really relevant if the material on it is true. And it appears to be true, as the Biden camp has actually not denied any of the specifics as far as I know, and multiple checks with recipients of emails have validated every time. Rolling with this scenario, seeding the laptop with fake information before dropping it off at the repair shop, seems like the most espionagie thing to do. Else, you’re just left with some porn links in the browser history file. And who cares about that. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/53 "2020-10-23T19:35:45Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > This part is also completely false. If you had read the story I linked, here is Mr Gilliar’s response: **“I am unaware of any involvement at any time of the former Vice President. The activity in question never delivered any project revenue.”** That quote appears in the **paragraph just above** the paragraph where the WSJ said Mr. Gilliar **didn’t respond** to a request for comment (about the **“big guy”** reference). Those are two separate things. Or at least the WSJ considers those two separate things. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/54 "2020-10-23T19:35:54Z")
No, he’s confirming that events mentioned in the email did happen and that these events are public knowledge. That’s a very different thing. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/55 "2020-10-23T19:37:48Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And several people have come forward and verified that the emails they have seen are true. Hunter Biden’s ex business partner has said that the E-mail detailing how shares would be apportioned in a Chinese holding company was accurate, and the 10% of shares to the ‘Big Guy’, (to be held by Hunter on his behalf) was in fact Joe Biden. Just like in climate gate, but as always the bit you forget is that then virtually all of the out of context and misstated lines from the scientists’ emails did not show what the climate deniers breathlessly attempted to sell to us then. This BTW does not prevent a few additions that do not need to be additions from Russia, they can very likely come from the stupid emailgate pushers themselves. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/56 "2020-10-23T19:38:48Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > No, he’s confirming that events mentioned in the email did happen and that these events are public knowledge Has Luntz denied that the email is from him? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/57 "2020-10-23T19:39:57Z")
It seems to fool Trump supporters just fine. They are not looking to fool people who are capable of critical thinking or crosschecking references, just those who will believe, pass on, and defend their conspiracies that are spoon-fed to them. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/58 "2020-10-23T19:42:17Z")
Does the email have anything to do with the allegations that are being made? If that e-mail is from Luntz, then all that says is that this is being put out by those who are willing to illegally (or at least very unethically) obtain personal correspondence in an attempt to make a hit job. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/59 "2020-10-23T19:43:23Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > Has Luntz denied that the email is from him? I read the previous exchange and again: that most emails probably are real does not demonstrate that the expected events then took place. For all I remember reading, Hunter Biden then was the definition of an unreliable narrator. Sure he could type emails, deliver like he promised to the targets that he tried to get into schemes? It looks more that his problems got in the way of that or thanks to his issues his hustles did not amount to much. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587/60 "2020-10-23T19:45:15Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Is there Are you serious? There are two separate questions here: 1. Was Hunter Biden engaged in influence peddling? I don’t know how anyone could think otherwise. The guy is a crackhead screwup, But somehow landed a $50,000+ per month board position on a corrupt Ukranian gas and oil firm despite knowing nothing about Oil, Gas, or the Ukraine, and a multi-million dollar payout from various sketchy Chinese firms with connections to the Chinese Communist Party. Hunter even admitted that he would not have gotten any of that if his last name wasn’t Biden. Hunter’s deal with Burisma raised flags with anti-corruption authorities around the world As did Biden bragging about getting the prosecutor looking into Burisma fired. 2. Was Joe Biden personally involved, and did he actually trade U.S. government favors to enrich his family? The jury is still out on that, but his demanding the firing of the Burisma prosecutor and his taking Hunter to China on Air Force Two immediately before the Chinese deals both look sketchy. At the very least, he allowed the perception that Hunter was wired into the administration. Do I think this is unique to Biden? Nope. I think Senators trading on their power is common, and one of the reasons Washington is a swamp. These are the guys that voted themselves the right to trade on inside knowledge and scew over other investors. Republicans and Democrats alike. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunter-biden-laptop-question/923587.md?page=4)