# Hurricane Ditka, Shodan, Octopus, and BigT... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 16, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522 "2019-11-16T02:00:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/201 "2019-11-25T17:25:28Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I, too, am curious what it means to move to the right on gay rights. Hmmmmmm… STILL no answer. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/202 "2019-11-25T17:33:03Z")
Oh well. I’m not surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/203 "2019-11-25T23:12:24Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The “No Quid Pro Quo” rule. > > Unless it’s **octopus** , in which case it’s “squid pro quo”. > > I just hadta. [Breathed beat ya to it.](https://www.gocomics.com/bloom-county/2019/10/05) 😃 (Arc starts [here](https://www.gocomics.com/bloom-county/2019/09/29).) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/204 "2019-11-26T11:36:08Z")
Oh, the quid/squid pun is a well-worn one, but when the opportunity arises… ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/205 "2019-11-26T14:45:14Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > You said “octopi” in a Greek restaurant? I bet they spit in your giros. The correct plural in Greek is _octopodes_. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/206 "2019-11-26T14:46:16Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The correct plural in Greek is _octopodes_. What’s the correct plural in English? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/207 "2019-11-26T14:52:58Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > What’s the correct plural in English? Octopuses. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/208 "2019-11-26T15:02:23Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > What’s the correct plural in English? “Gi’us more of these, chop-chop ! There’s a good lad, what.” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/209 "2019-11-26T18:41:13Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I hate the argument that merely using speech somehow censors speech. That’s only possible if it crosses into harassment (or they have some sort of authority and could ban you), not just because someone thinks you shouldn’t have said what you said or wants you to go away. I think it crosses into that threshold with some frequency. Bans seem to be enforced on conservatives more than it is on liberals. > [@](#): > > I would hope this is something we could agree about, whether we’re on the right or the left. So you don’t think this is a liberal echo chamber? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/210 "2019-11-26T19:50:31Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So you don’t think this is a liberal echo chamber? You imply that all liberals say the same thing, which means you don’t really read or understand what they post. You want to tow the conservative line so much, you can’t answer their questions about why conservatives abandon their values as they support Trump. Fiscal responsibility? Vanished into a 14 trillion dollar debt. Accountability for one’s actions? Discarded in favor of attributing their fuckups to manipulation by _The Deep State_. Respect of the DoJ and our armed forces? Squashed because Trump ignores their counsel out of spite. Regarding Russia as the enemy since the 50’s? Tossed aside because they helped Trump win. These used to be considered \*conservative \*values. Aren’t Fox News forums conservative echo chambers? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/211 "2019-11-26T20:02:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Bans seem to be enforced on conservatives more than it is on liberals. Bans seem to be enforced on what people do, not what people are. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So you don’t think this is a liberal echo chamber? I’m seeing a wide range of opinions on a wide range of subjects. If you don’t feel that a certain segment of society has an adequate voice here, might I suggest you quit yer bitchin’ and talk about whatever it is you want to talk about. The SDMB is under no obligation to artificially provide a balance just to make you feel better. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/212 "2019-11-26T20:44:06Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Could you explain this? What gay rights do you oppose, and why? I don’t oppose any gay rights. I have move to the right on gay rights. A lot of that has to do with where I was on gay rights before the debate. So here is my evolution on gay rights. During the debates surrounding don’t ask don’t tell, I became convinced that there was no genuine concern about esprit de corp or any of that stuff when the politicians asked the military and the military said they could execute orders regardless of sexual orientation. Then they said, “well, that’s the top brass, who cares what they think. Let’s ask the officers and enlisted” Then the majority of officer and enlisted said the same thing (except the enlisted marines). Then all of a sudden enlisted marines were the “tip of the spear” and their opinions were the only ones that really counted. Then I saw the debate where a gay service member was booed by the audience at a debate for being gay. On National TV. It was shameful. Then I saw the debate on gay marriage and at first I thought we should just change the term marriage to Civil union for everyone. After all, what did the name matter. It’s just semantics. But some people were not willing to deny themselves a title that they would deny others. Maybe the term marriage was important after all. Gays should have the right t6o be married and have their union be called a marriage. Gays wanted to be married and it seemed at the time that it was not an imposition to anyone else if gays could get married so what business was it of theirs other than because they wanted to make life less fulfilling for gays. Then they started suing churches. I didn’t think that there was a line to be drawn on gay marriage until their rights butted up against the rights of others. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/213 "2019-11-26T20:49:28Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > {…} Then they started suing churches. {…} Cite? Oven/under that the words ‘Ocean’ and ‘Grove’ are about to be important? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/214 "2019-11-26T20:53:44Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > You imply that all liberals say the same thing, which means you don’t really read or understand what they post. You want to tow the conservative line so much, It’s laughable that you think I’m a conservative. > [@](#): > > you can’t answer their questions about why conservatives abandon their values as they support Trump. Conservatives abandon all their principles in pursuit of conservative supreme court justices and as long as they think Trump can deliver more of them, they will keep supporting him. > [@](#): > > Fiscal responsibility? Vanished into a 14 trillion dollar debt. The Republican party was never really in favor of fiscal responsibility, they just didn’t like what the Democrats were spending money on. Just like the Democrats don’t like what the Republicans spend money on. There was a time when Republicans would cut taxes and pay for those tax cuts with spending cuts. There was a time when Democrats were derisively called tax and spend Democrats because they would raise the revenue they intended to spend on social programs. Now Republicans don’t bother paying for tax cuts if cutting spending comes at a political cost. Democrats no longer try to raise taxes to pay for their spending if it comes at a political cost. Neither side cares about a balanced budget (sure the Republicans want a balanced budget amendment but one that requires a supermajority to increase taxes) [quote] Accountability for one’s actions? Discarded in favor of attributing their fuckups to manipulation by _The Deep State_ > [@](#): > > Respect of the DoJ and our armed forces? Squashed because Trump ignores their counsel out of spite. Regarding Russia as the enemy since the 50’s? Tossed aside because they helped Trump win. These used to be considered \*conservative \*values. Politicians are generally dishonest scumbags. This one more than most. > [@](#): > > Aren’t Fox News forums conservative echo chambers? I don’t know. I assume they are. This site didn’t used to be an echo chamber. Now it is. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/215 "2019-11-26T20:55:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Bans seem to be enforced on what people do, not what people are. > I’m seeing a wide range of opinions on a wide range of subjects. If you don’t feel that a certain segment of society has an adequate voice here, might I suggest you quit yer bitchin’ and talk about whatever it is you want to talk about. The SDMB is under no obligation to artificially provide a balance just to make you feel better. There is a bias. I talk about everything I want to talk about but as a moderate impartial observer, I see bias. Liberals get away with behavior that gets conservatives banned. This can’t have escaped your attention. Liberals are not held to particularly high standards of behavior relative to conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/216 "2019-11-26T20:56:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > There is a bias. > > I talk about everything I want to talk about but as a moderate impartial observer, I see bias. > > Liberals get away with behavior that gets conservatives banned. This can’t have escaped your attention. Liberals are not held to particularly high standards of behavior relative to conservatives. Show your homework. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/217 "2019-11-26T21:08:04Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Cite? > > Oven/under that the words ‘Ocean’ and ‘Grove’ are about to be important? > > CMC fnord! > **[Millionaire gay couple is suing to force a church to hold their wedding](https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/millionaire-gay-couple-suing-force-church-hold-wedding/)** > > A same-sex couple in the U.K. have decided to take legal action in forcing their church to perform their marriage, stating they want "A big lavish ceremony." Gay sue churches for other reasons outside of marriage as well. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/218 "2019-11-26T21:12:59Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > [Millionaire gay couple is suing to force a church to hold their wedding](https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/millionaire-gay-couple-suing-force-church-hold-wedding/) > > \*\*Gay \*\*sue churches for other reasons outside of marriage as well. …oh noes!!! The Gay sue churches!!! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/219 "2019-11-26T21:15:37Z")
A gay couple in another country sues a church in another country over five years ago, _and this turned you away from gay rights?_ The next time you do a last-minute Google search to justify something, put a little more effort into it and check the date of your cite. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/220 "2019-11-26T21:16:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > [Millionaire gay couple is suing to force a church to hold their wedding](https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/millionaire-gay-couple-suing-force-church-hold-wedding/) > > Gay sue churches for other reasons outside of marriage as well. People sue about things all the time. Sometimes warranted, sometimes not. But why are your views on human rights so malleable? Oh boy, somebody filed a lawsuit I don’t approve of therefore none of you like that person should have rights now? What? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522.md?page=12)