# Hurricane Ditka, Shodan, Octopus, and BigT... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 16, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522 "2019-11-16T02:00:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/161 "2019-11-18T23:53:48Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > That offer remains on the table. Those here who would find the place more pleasant with my permanent absence need only pony up the cash. Maybe take up a collection so they don’t have to dip into their children’s college fund. I mean, hell, many pay to belong to this place in its current state. Surely they should be willing to spend more to make it a better place. If not, then I shall continue to post here for as long as it amuses me and on whatever topics amuse me and my detractors have only their own cheapness to blame. See, they want to _compel_ my silence when they could quite easily just buy it. Holy shit that was _you??__You’re_ the pathetic loser who was begging for attention and money at the same time? Oh my god that’s _hilarious!_ Sorry I didn’t remember that that was you, but you’re just so forgettable! Which was even the subject of my first post in your babyish ‘too poor to flounce’ thread - you had made no impact on me to date! And you still haven’t! So keep sparkling, you shiny diamond, you forgettable nobody you! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/162 "2019-11-19T01:57:01Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Nonsense. This is not a liberal echo chamber. This is a forum for intelligent debate. > > And that’s what a lot of right wingers have a problem with; their arguments can’t handle intelligent rebuttal. They come in here and say something stupid (“Donald Trump is the greatest president ever.”) and other people point out the flaws in their argument and present the evidence to support their positions. Then the right wingers start crying and calling us a bunch of mean poopyheads. > > Hurricane Ditka, octopus, and scumpup are all prime examples of this. I think if it’s so damn painful for the fucking snowflakes, they should just get the fuck out already. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/163 "2019-11-19T13:39:03Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I think if it’s so damn painful for the fucking snowflakes, they should just get the fuck out already. This. If you’re still supporting Donald Trump you’re too stupid to ever be comfortable at Straight Dope. Go to a right wing board and be the one-eyed king in the land of the blind. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2019, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/164 "2019-11-19T14:27:29Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > For example I have moved to the right on gay rights I, too, am curious what it means to move to the right on gay rights. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/165 "2019-11-19T14:46:22Z")
Actually, I believe the word is “swipe”, not “move”. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/166 "2019-11-19T17:37:07Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > … You seem confused, honestly. And I mean that without any partisan animosity. Starting with making a qualitative distinction between gay right and trans rights. I sincerely do not see how one can support one without implicitly supporting the other, or drawing a line in the sand between them that isn’t strictly arbitrary. I can, but it involves being _Wrong_ about something, which is a concept some are loath to admit can exist in the realm of political ideology. The thing which the people I’m thinking of (TERFs)\* are _Wrong_ about is gender: They believe, as a matter of dogmatic faith, that gender is 100% absolutely socialized into someone, and will not hear anything to the contrary. So, if you have that as an article of faith, trans people don’t exist for you. People who feel that their gender is out of step with their sex cannot possibly be real. They must be lying, either as males trying to invade female spaces (male-to-female trans people) or as lesbians in denial who need to accept that they’re lesbians and get into a lesbian relationship (female-to-male trans people) because TERFs are the Incels of the Left. TERFs are typically quite gay-positive, but their worldview is utterly incompatible with the very existence of trans people, so any trans people who exist need to stop existing now kthxbye. \*(Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/167 "2019-11-20T20:14:04Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > This. If you’re still supporting Donald Trump you’re too stupid to ever be comfortable at Straight Dope. Go to a right wing board and be the one-eyed king in the land of the blind. I think they’ll be more comfortable on 8chan or StormFront. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/168 "2019-11-21T02:47:03Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > It can be unpleasant to be a conservative in a liberal echo chamber. Heck it’s not easy being a moderate liberal in a liberal echo chamber these days. > > I don’t know why they put up with it. Their lives would be more enjoyable if they just abandoned this place and just checked in from time to time. It’s not like there’s a lot of ignorance fighting going on here anymore. I don’t disagree that it might make people uncomfortable. But there’s a difference between that and saying they are shouting you down or forcing you to leave simply by saying things. Even when I argue about racism or sexism pushing people away from the board, I mean they choose to leave to avoid that stuff. They aren’t being censored or anything. I hate the argument that merely using speech somehow censors speech. That’s only possible if it crosses into harassment (or they have some sort of authority and could ban you), not just because someone thinks you shouldn’t have said what you said or wants you to go away. I would hope this is something we could agree about, whether we’re on the right or the left. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/169 "2019-11-21T03:11:14Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I don’t disagree that it might make people uncomfortable. But there’s a difference between that and saying they are shouting you down or forcing you to leave simply by saying things. > > Even when I argue about racism or sexism pushing people away from the board, I mean they choose to leave to avoid that stuff. They aren’t being censored or anything. > > I hate the argument that merely using speech somehow censors speech. That’s only possible if it crosses into harassment (or they have some sort of authority and could ban you), not just because someone thinks you shouldn’t have said what you said or wants you to go away. > > I would hope this is something we could agree about, whether we’re on the right or the left. Yes, you are correct. Merely speaking your point of view isn’t silencing. Continuing to bug the mods for a quid pro quo of dollars for preferential treatment might be silencing. Running away because people have a different point of view is just weak. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/170 "2019-11-21T04:13:13Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > I can, but it involves being _Wrong_ about something, which is a concept some are loath to admit can exist in the realm of political ideology. The thing which the people I’m thinking of (TERFs)\* are _Wrong_ about is gender: They believe, as a matter of dogmatic faith, that gender is 100% absolutely socialized into someone, and will not hear anything to the contrary. Well yeah, but then that’d be one of them strictly arbitrary lines I was talking about ;). Going “any/all sexual orientations are fine, it’s a spectrum anyhoo and breaking those social taboos is also fine and being free to be whoever you are is an absolute social good ; but gender wooaaah Imma stop you right there, you freak, \*these \*taboos exist for a REASON” seems pretty incoherent to me :D. Or, well, if you can recognize all the “think of the children !!!” arguments against homosexuality and open gays for the absolute shite that they are, how can you be so blind as to turn around and use the very same arguments and moral panicky nonsense against trans ? I sincerely, honestly don’t get it. ETA : but speaking of lines in the sand, and à propos of nothing but I wanted to share today’s mirth, I came across a tweet from a guy opining that “my parents can deal with a trans girlfriend, no problem. Now a \*shiksah \*on the other hand, that’d be trouble” :). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/171 "2019-11-21T11:38:45Z")
> [@Teddie](#): > > Or we can do The Dorchester for supper or The Ritz for afternoon tea. Oh lordy, no. Tea at the Ritz has become a horrible, overpriced touristy affair (ditto Fortnum and Mason up the road). Go next door to the Wolseley for a _much_ better (and cheaper) afternoon tea. Better service too. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/172 "2019-11-21T15:35:13Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I don’t disagree that it might make people uncomfortable. But there’s a difference between that and saying they are shouting you down or forcing you to leave simply by saying things. > > Even when I argue about racism or sexism pushing people away from the board, I mean they choose to leave to avoid that stuff. They aren’t being censored or anything. > > I hate the argument that merely using speech somehow censors speech. That’s only possible if it crosses into harassment (or they have some sort of authority and could ban you), not just because someone thinks you shouldn’t have said what you said or wants you to go away. > > I would hope this is something we could agree about, whether we’re on the right or the left. It’s because they are snowflakes, delicate little hot-house flowers, who die at the first sign of disagreement. They are trying to peddle the old _“you have to respect my stupid odious hateful lying bullshit and you have to tolerate my intolerance”_ line of shit. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/173 "2019-11-21T16:32:49Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > It’s because they are snowflakes, delicate little hot-house flowers, who die at the first sign of disagreement. > > They are trying to peddle the old _“you have to respect my stupid odious hateful lying bullshit and you have to tolerate my intolerance”_ line of shit. It’s funny you say that when you have so many on ignore because you are so mentally unstable. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/174 "2019-11-21T18:05:46Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > ETA : but speaking of lines in the sand, and à propos of nothing but I wanted to share today’s mirth, I came across a tweet from a guy opining that “my parents can deal with a trans girlfriend, no problem. Now a \*shiksah \*on the other hand, that’d be trouble” :). Has she been circumcised? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/175 "2019-11-23T15:03:05Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > That offer remains on the table. Those here who would find the place more pleasant with my permanent absence need only pony up the cash. Maybe take up a collection so they don’t have to dip into their children’s college fund. I mean, hell, many pay to belong to this place in its current state. Surely they should be willing to spend more to make it a better place. If not, then I shall continue to post here for as long as it amuses me and on whatever topics amuse me and my detractors have only their own cheapness to blame. See, they want to _compel_ my silence when they could quite easily just buy it. This whining and contemptible crab louse “admires Hurricane Ditka, Shodan, Octopus.” I wonder how Hurricane Ditka, Shodan, Octopus feel about that? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/176 "2019-11-23T15:26:34Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > This whining and contemptible crab louse “admires Hurricane Ditka, Shodan, Octopus.” I wonder how Hurricane Ditka, Shodan, Octopus feel about that? Well, I think I’ve established that I don’t post for social approval. That said, I do think it’s a tiny bit odd to ask to be paid to go away. Don’t get me wrong for 100k US dollars I’d avoid most websites. For couch change, a cart full of cans, and some coupons? No. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/177 "2019-11-23T15:38:11Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Well, I think I’ve established that I don’t post for social approval. That said, I do think it’s a tiny bit odd to ask to be paid to go away. Don’t get me wrong for 100k US dollars I’d avoid most websites. > > For couch change, a cart full of cans, and some coupons? No. Think of it as me trying to give my detractors a win-win situation. They get a Scumpup-free SDMB and I get a few bucks. Everybody wins. That they seem to prefer having to endure my presence and read _every single one_ of my posts (as it seems gospel here at the SMDB that nobody can just skip post or put a member on ignore) over skipping a few orange-mocha soy lattes is just their personal quirk, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/178 "2019-11-23T15:59:42Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Think of it as me trying to give my detractors a win-win situation. They get a Scumpup-free SDMB and I get a few bucks. Everybody wins. That they seem to prefer having to endure my presence and read _every single one_ of my posts (as it seems gospel here at the SMDB that nobody can just skip post or put a member on ignore) over skipping a few orange-mocha soy lattes is just their personal quirk, I guess. I think people saw it as smarmy and insincere panhandling. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/179 "2019-11-23T17:35:07Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I think people saw it as smarmy and insincere panhandling. I thought it more akin to a middle-school quest for validation, i.e. passing someone a note that reads: _DO YOU LIKE ME? []YES []NO_ In this case, though, it’s: _DO YOU THINK ABOUT ME ENOUGH TO DISLIKE ME? []DONATE TOWARD MY DEPARTURE []DO NOT DONATE TOWARD MY DEPARTURE_ Certainly unbecoming behaviour for an alleged adult. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522/180 "2019-11-23T17:42:23Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I think people saw it as smarmy and insincere panhandling. Why would anyone pay him to leave when we can enjoy his self-debasement for free? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricane-ditka-shodan-octopus-and-bigt/843522.md?page=10)