# HurricaneDitka, you are just so full of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2017, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699 "2017-07-20T04:35:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/1 "2017-07-20T04:35:18Z")
So over in GD, HurricaneDipshit drops this lovely turd: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831416](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831416) The basic premise is that Republicans are more patriotic than Democrats. The reasoning behind this is that more Republicans SAY they are more patriotic. JohnT gives a pretty good answer here: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20355166&postcount=6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20355166&postcount=6) > [@](#): > > The question asked is akin to looking at a poll of what men and women think about their weight, seeing that more women than men consider themselves overweight, and then asking “Why are women generally fatter than men?” But Hurricaneshitdick would have none of that logic: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20355209&postcount=10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20355209&postcount=10) > [@](#): > > And with weight, we’ve got objective measurements to refute those opinions. Do you have any objective measurements for patriotism you’d like to propose? So now we have to have objective measurements! There’s a bunch of other stuff in which Hurricaneshitass attempts to invoke the Honor Guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier or some such. Basically, the entire thread was based around HurricanePoopGobbler trying to prove that Republicans were better than Democrats. But, here’s the thing, HurricaneDitka… I served for 23 fucking years and I refuse to accept your definition of patriotism. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/2 "2017-07-20T04:37:25Z")
He didn’t do very well in a friendship with McMahon either. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/3 "2017-07-20T06:32:48Z")
He works from his own ditka-tionary. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/4 "2017-07-20T06:56:00Z")
He wants objective data but doesn’t think research is necessary to determine it. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/5 "2017-07-20T07:09:22Z")
Hangonaminnit? HD is proposing that one team is more patriotic than the other, but doesn’t actually define what patriotism is? Bwhahhhaaaaa. Gotta love the challenged posters on this board! They’re entertaining if nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/6 "2017-07-20T07:34:05Z")
As I understood it, the poll linked to by the moron said that more Democrats than Republicans identified as “patriotic”, but more Republicans than Democrats identified as “very patriotic”. Which to me just seemed to mean that more of the normal, sane, reasoned patriots were democratic while the flag waving “USA USA USA” redneck super patriots were republican. In a time where your racist president holds rallies for those types of red cap wearing idiots I think I took a very different conclusion from that poll than the OP did. But then he is one of these clowns who would rather defend his “side” at all costs rather than accept the reality of what he is defending, so I never gave much weight to his opinion anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/7 "2017-07-20T08:17:23Z")
> [@Why are Republicans generally more patriotic than Democrats?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-republicans-generally-more-patriotic-than-democrats/791627/157): > > I’m not trying to get you to admit or agree to anything. I wanted to hear some Dopers thoughts on why this poll came out the way it did. And it’s been interesting so far. We’ve gotten responses all the way from “[The liberal response is- fuck that shit. If that is the definition of patriotism, then call be proud not to be patriotic.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20356582#post20356582)” to “[It’s Democrats who more embody the actual love of country, and the people in it, that the word patriotism properly signifies.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20355403#post20355403)” and all sorts of perspectives in between. It’s surprised me how many people argued that patriotism isn’t / can’t be defined, and I honestly expected more replies along the lines of **Ravenman** ’s and less quibbling. This is how I read the thread as well, and I find this pitting to be small potatoes indeed. The quibbling misses the point of the thread. The worst you can say about this thread is that **HurricaneDitka** did a poor job of explaining his thoughts in the OP, and a bunch of pedants jumped on him as a result. In polls, democrats regularly identify themselves as less patriotic than republicans. There’s an interesting discussion to be had about why that is. It would have been nice to have that discussion, instead of turning it into yet another tribe signalling exercise - “No, the poll is biased, you’re interpreting it wrong, blah blah blah”. All valid points, all utterly _uninteresting_ and missing the point of the thread. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/8 "2017-07-20T08:36:31Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > In polls, democrats regularly identify themselves as less patriotic than republicans. There’s an interesting discussion to be had about why that is. But first you need to determine what constitutes ‘patriotism’. Until you have a clear definition of terms, all discussion is moot. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/9 "2017-07-20T08:47:52Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > As I understood it, the poll linked to by the moron said that more Democrats than Republicans identified as “patriotic”, but more Republicans than Democrats identified as “very patriotic”. Close. More Rs than Ds identified as “ **extremely** ” patriotic. Even at “very”, the Ds had it. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/10 "2017-07-20T08:54:43Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > In polls, democrats regularly identify themselves as less patriotic than republicans. No. If that had, indeed, been the poll question (“Do you consider yourself less patriotic than a member of the opposition party”), that would be a _very_ interesting conversation. That poll, on the other hand, boils down to “Why do less Democrats identify as Teh X-Treemzorz!!!111. ?” which is a lot _less_ interesting, with an easy answer, which was given multiple times - and only reads as partisan “signalling” because reality has a partisan bias… ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/11 "2017-07-20T09:09:00Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > So over in GD, HurricaneDipshit drops this lovely turd: > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831416](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831416) > > The basic premise is that Republicans are more patriotic than Democrats. The reasoning behind this is that more Republicans SAY they are more patriotic. > > … I saw that thread and almost responded. However, the feeling of being a fish reacting to some bait got the better of me and I said “Nah”. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/12 "2017-07-20T11:18:54Z")
I quite liked his opening line, and was saddened that the thread’s placement in **GD** prevented me from answering the question properly: [QUOTE=Hurricane Ditka] I now believe that it is fairly well-established that Republicans are generally more patriotic than Democrats. **Why is that so?** [/QUOTE] Ummm, because you’re not very smart? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/13 "2017-07-20T11:30:23Z")
It was a trolling debate topic. Ditka is a piece of crap. If I was interested in right wing drivel, I’d listen to Rush or Savage or turn on Fox. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/14 "2017-07-20T11:41:43Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > This is how I read the thread as well, and I find this pitting to be small potatoes indeed. The quibbling misses the point of the thread. The worst you can say about this thread is that **HurricaneDitka** did a poor job of explaining his thoughts in the OP, and a bunch of pedants jumped on him as a result. In polls, democrats regularly identify themselves as less patriotic than republicans. There’s an interesting discussion to be had about why that is. It would have been nice to have that discussion, instead of turning it into yet another tribe signalling exercise - “No, the poll is biased, you’re interpreting it wrong, blah blah blah”. All valid points, all utterly _uninteresting_ and missing the point of the thread. Actually, the thread title was “Why are Republicans generally more patriotic than Democrats?” and the closing statement in the OP was > [@Why are Republicans generally more patriotic than Democrats?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-republicans-generally-more-patriotic-than-democrats/791627/1): > > Personally I don’t see any reasonable way to parse those results that doesn’t show Democrats as generally less patriotic than Republicans, but I’d be delighted to hear your theories and arguments as to why this is not so, if that’s the claim you wish to advance. This was not a question about why Republicans and Democrats answer a particular poll in a particular way, which might have been an interesting question. It took the results of the poll and presumed that the poll accurately identified the actual patriotism of the respective parties without even identifying what patriotism was or attempting to identify how each group understood its definition. The responses are not pedantic nitpicking; they are the natural response to a weird assumption applied poorly to different groups. I do not think this Pitting was necessary, but your defense fails. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/15 "2017-07-20T12:18:31Z")
It’s not markedly different from the dozens of other concern-trollicious “golly gee guys, help me figure this thing out!” threads launched by Master **Ditka** since he hit the ground running on his race toward enlightenment, but while we have freelance Überhacks like **Okrahoma** and suffocatingly ignorant faulty A.I. like **doorhinge** to compare and contrast, **Ditka** has a place setting at the Good Ones’ table, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/16 "2017-07-20T12:32:45Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Actually, the thread title was “Why are Republicans generally more patriotic than Democrats?” and the closing statement in the OP was This was not a question about why Republicans and Democrats answer a particular poll in a particular way, which might have been an interesting question. It took the results of the poll and presumed that the poll accurately identified the actual patriotism of the respective parties without even identifying what patriotism was or attempting to identify how each group understood its definition. > The responses are not pedantic nitpicking; they are the natural response to a weird assumption applied poorly to different groups. > I do not think this Pitting was necessary, but your defense fails. As one of those apparently being a pedantic nitpicker, let me say, that I agree with this. It isn’t as if a couple of us pointed out the error and **Ditka** said "Ok, I recognize the error. Hey can we shift the conversation to ‘why do Republicans self-identify as more patriotic that Democrats?’ No, he’s still seems to defending the conclusions in the OP. What conversation can there be had when the initial conclusions are not reasonable given the evidence and the OP won’t concede it? Hence my latest suggestion that if he really wants to have the more reasonable conversation the sensible thing to do would be to start over. That thread is too poisoned now. Of course **Budget Player Cadet** there’s nothing keeping you from starting such a thread if you think it might be interesting, and I agree with you that it could be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/17 "2017-07-20T13:11:59Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > This is how I read the thread as well, and I find this pitting to be small potatoes indeed. The quibbling misses the point of the thread. The worst you can say about this thread is that **HurricaneDitka** did a poor job of explaining his thoughts in the OP, and a bunch of pedants jumped on him as a result. In polls, democrats regularly identify themselves as less patriotic than republicans. There’s an interesting discussion to be had about why that is. It would have been nice to have that discussion, instead of turning it into yet another tribe signalling exercise - “No, the poll is biased, you’re interpreting it wrong, blah blah blah”. All valid points, all utterly _uninteresting_ and missing the point of the thread. It’s not so different from [the poll you got all worked up about](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831421) in the Pit concerning Hillary and Trump’s approval rating. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/18 "2017-07-20T13:26:43Z")
Since the poster I was asking got a warning in the other thread for the underlying post, I’ll repost my inquiry here. > [@Why are Republicans generally more patriotic than Democrats?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-republicans-generally-more-patriotic-than-democrats/791627/143): > > > [@Why are Republicans generally more patriotic than Democrats?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-republicans-generally-more-patriotic-than-democrats/791627/110): > > > > But I’m done with reasoned responses to Ditka, this is just another trolling thread like the 4th of July one. I remember a lot of Dems gave very well thought out responses about what their country meant for them and the response was just sort of, “Oh, you are all a bunch of overthinking navel gazers but you still hate America.” > > Can you point me to the post(s) where he said that? I’m not disputing that it was said; I’m genuinely curious. **HD** has started a number of potentially argumentative threads lately where he seemed (at least to me) to be trying to avoid poisoning the well. My impression is that the target of the OP has been starting these threads in good faith, even if he is reluctant to accept pushback on his premises. I’d like to see if I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/19 "2017-07-20T13:51:34Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Since the poster I was asking got a warning in the other thread for the underlying post, I’ll repost my inquiry here. > > My impression is that the target of the OP has been starting these threads in good faith, even if he is reluctant to accept pushback on his premises. I’d like to see if I’m wrong. I tend to agree. I don’t get the same impression from HurricaneDitka that I get from say Okrahoma or doorhinge. That being said, I have a policy for online discussions that I won’t go in circles with somebody, and at least with respect to that thread, I’m done because it isn’t going to go anywhere. The underlying interesting point is never going to get covered. I could start a new thread on it, except I just don’t feel that passionately about it to defend an OP. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/20 "2017-07-20T14:23:10Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > My impression is that the target of the OP has been starting these threads in good faith, even if he is reluctant to accept pushback on his premises. I’d like to see if I’m wrong. +1. I don’t think **HurricaneDitka** has the bot-like responses of the other usual suspects. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699.md?page=2)