# HurricaneDitka, you are just so full of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2017, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699 "2017-07-20T04:35:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/21 "2017-07-20T22:43:13Z")
If someone considers themselves patriotic, why can’t that be enough? Should there be a test? Patriotism obviously means different things to different people. It seems that some patriotic Democrats are upset that not enough of their coalition members consider themselves patriotic. That being said, maybe the less controversial question would have been “Why do more Republicans identify as patriotic?” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/22 "2017-07-20T22:47:59Z")
Or: Why do Republicans think a window decal on a truck demonstrates patriotism? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/23 "2017-07-20T22:57:33Z")
How many of these Republican “patriots” also fly the Confederate flag? Because you could rule those people straight out of the patriotism pool. Patriots don’t fly a flag of treason. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/24 "2017-07-20T23:05:18Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Or: Why do Republicans think a window decal on a truck demonstrates patriotism? Or why would someone think the wrong decal is anti-patriotic?: > [@Chimera](#): > > How many of these Republican “patriots” also fly the Confederate flag? Because you could rule those people straight out of the patriotism pool. Patriots don’t fly a flag of treason. So patriotism is tied to the flag or government, not the country, society, or people. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/25 "2017-07-20T23:06:55Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/26 "2017-07-20T23:08:58Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Or why would someone think the wrong decal is anti-patriotic?: > > So patriotism is tied to the flag or government, not the country, society, or people. > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > nm Why don’t you go pick that asinine fight in the actual thread? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/27 "2017-07-20T23:08:59Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > So patriotism is tied to the flag or government, not the country, society, or people. If display of one can demonstrate patriotism, then display of another can demonstrate treason. Or we could just conclude that displaying a flag says nothing meaningful at all. ETA: I see you reconsidered your remark. Good. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/28 "2017-07-20T23:12:15Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > That being said, maybe the less controversial question would have been “Why do more Republicans identify as patriotic?” I think that’s a valid question. I would certainly think it’s non-controversial that more Republicans than Democrats consider themselves “patriotic.” That has been my general observation, though I don’t think it’s a huge difference (and the poll bears that out). But I, as I said in the other thread, probably would not self-identify as strongly “patriotic,” even though I love this country, but that’s probably mostly because of my interpretation of what “patriotism” means to most people. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/29 "2017-07-20T23:12:43Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > If someone considers themselves patriotic, why can’t that be enough? As I said in the other thread: “The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.” ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/30 "2017-07-20T23:14:47Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If display of one can demonstrate patriotism, then display of another can demonstrate treason. > > Or we could just conclude that displaying a flag says nothing meaningful at all. > > ETA: I see you reconsidered your remark. Good. No just made it make sense. We could also conclude that patriot self-identity says nothing meaningful about a person without further fact-finding. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/31 "2017-07-20T23:17:57Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > As I said in the other thread: “The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.” Never heard that quote, very good. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/32 "2017-07-20T23:18:17Z")
Just like when a salesman keeps talking about his Christianity, you’d better walk away. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/33 "2017-07-20T23:54:03Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > No just made it make sense. > > We could also conclude that patriot self-identity says nothing meaningful about a person without further fact-finding. Ah! now we are at the beginning point of this pitting! When that was brought up to ditka, he refused research as a solution and continued on for 200+ posts with no real clear definition of patriotism. Wasting everyone’s time. Almost of that was his intent all along. A troll, if you will. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/34 "2017-07-20T23:58:10Z")
Wait, Concern Troll is concerned? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/35 "2017-07-21T00:05:56Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > No just made it make sense. > > We could also conclude that patriot self-identity says nothing meaningful about a person without further fact-finding. Cool. Be a dear and suggest this to HurricaneDitka in the other thread, would you? He seems to think that Republicans _saying_ they’re patriotic at higher rates than Democrats means they _are_ more patriotic, whatever that actually means. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/36 "2017-07-21T01:29:04Z")
That thread is just a shitshow of a legitimately interesting question (why do Republicans identify themselves that way?) asked in the wrong way (why are Republicans such better people?) by a guy who is so utterly clueless about people not like him (I wonder how many flag burnings happen in California on the Fourth of July? Is it more or less than ten thousand?). ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/37 "2017-07-21T01:36:48Z")
And by the way, I rather like **HurricaneDitka** even though he drives me batty. He reminds me of a late 19th century explorer who is earnestly trying to discover important things, but when he comes across an Amazonian tribe, it takes him a very long time to realize that the savages aren’t idiots just because they don’t speak English. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/38 "2017-07-21T01:43:56Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Or: Why do Republicans think a window decal on a truck demonstrates patriotism? > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Or why would someone think the wrong decal is anti-patriotic?.. > . Or why would would the someone someone think that the wrong wrong sticker decal is anti anti patriotic? You have a compelling point that only applies to those whose heads are full of nitrous oxide. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/39 "2017-11-06T13:52:21Z")
Reviving this pitting for context and to add the following for posterity - H-D is [disingenuous](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20583760&postcount=5) and just plain [mean spirited](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20583880&postcount=17). So this is what you’re _really_ like, H-D?.. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/40 "2017-11-06T14:20:27Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > So over in GD, HurricaneDipshit drops this lovely turd: > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831416](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831416) I read the thread, especially the OP. This pitting is weak sauce, indeed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699.md?page=3)