# HurricaneDitka, you are just so full of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2017, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699 "2017-07-20T04:35:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/41 "2017-11-06T14:24:20Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I read the thread, especially the OP. This pitting is weak sauce, indeed. 3 1/2 months later. I guess senile turtles read slow. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/42 "2017-11-06T14:54:03Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > 3 1/2 months later. I guess senile turtles read slow. Until recently he had everyone who had ever disagreed with him - to use his overused terminology, those of us with “room temperature IQs” —on ignore. I understand he un-ignored a lot of people recently. There’s a lot more content on this board if you don’t only see posts from his ideological brethren of doorhinge, Starving Artist, and Okrahoma (aka the freezer temp IQ brigade); so understandably Clothy is taking some time to make his way through a bunch of threads. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/43 "2017-11-06T15:00:22Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Until recently he had everyone who had ever disagreed with him - to use his overused terminology, those of us with “room temperature IQs” — **on ignore**. > > I understand he un-ignored a lot of people recently. There’s a lot more content on this board if you don’t only see posts from his ideological brethren of doorhinge, Starving Artist, and Okrahoma (aka the freezer temp IQ brigade); so understandably Clothy is taking some time to make his way through a bunch of threads. I know. And I’m back on. Made the mistake of challenging him to back up what he said. Despite the thick shell, his epidermis is still paper thin. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/44 "2017-11-06T15:10:05Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > 3 1/2 months later. I guess senile turtles read slow. At least he had a brilliant, well-reasoned argument when he finally got around to it (though as I noted previously I’ve yet to see evidence that this pitting was warranted). ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/45 "2017-11-06T16:31:04Z")
**HurricanDitka** is all about pedantry and moving goalposts. He asks for data, and when you find it, he changes the subject instead of accepting it (healthcare debate and deaths, for example). He bogs down on definitions of terms - why is it “healthcare” - and then changes the subject when he doesn’t like those answers - because it’s the name of the proposed bill. He may or may not be working from the purported Right Wing talking points, but he’s a lousy debater. I’ll endorse the Pitting. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/46 "2017-11-06T17:21:42Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > **HurricanDitka** is all about pedantry and moving goalposts. He asks for data, and when you find it, he changes the subject instead of accepting it (healthcare debate and deaths, for example). He bogs down on definitions of terms - why is it “healthcare” - and then changes the subject when he doesn’t like those answers - because it’s the name of the proposed bill. > > He may or may not be working from the purported Right Wing talking points, but he’s a lousy debater. I’ll endorse the Pitting. Well, it is still about a Category 1 for the OP. Now if we do add what you talk about we can reach a Cat 3. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/47 "2017-11-06T17:25:24Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > … > But Hurricaneshitdick would have none of that logic: > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20355209&postcount=10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20355209&postcount=10) > > > [@](#): > > > > … Do you have any objective measurements for patriotism you’d like to propose? > > So now we have to have objective measurements! > > There’s a bunch of other stuff in which Hurricaneshitass attempts to invoke the Honor Guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier or some such. I didn’t click the thread: I get more than enough of **Hurricane** without seeking even more deliberately. :smack: But I can’t tell from the synopsis whether he denies objective measurement is possible — in which case his claim is full of shit — or if he’s just full of shit in general. I think there are objective measures that might appeal to Republioturds. I’ll present several and ask **Hurricane** which he would approve of: [ul] [li] Is the pollee wearing a MAGA hat? Patriots want to make America great again. Democrats prefer to wallow in Obaminationism.[/li][li] Was the pollee smart enough to get a draft deferment so he could Create Jobs? Patriots like soldiers who don’t get captured, or who were too smart to enlist in the first place.[/li][li] Does the pollee adhere to Prosperity Gospel? Helping meek and poor Europeans is an idea for European socialists, not real American patriots.[/li][li] Ask about NFL blacks disrespecting the flag. Measure the angle of their bitter frown when they reply.[/li][Real patriots are proud to sing the National Anthem.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRU_2UKaZoE) [/ul] ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/48 "2017-11-06T17:28:35Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > **HurricanDitka** is all about pedantry and moving goalposts. He asks for data, and when you find it, he changes the subject instead of accepting it (healthcare debate and deaths, for example). He bogs down on definitions of terms - why is it “healthcare” - and then changes the subject when he doesn’t like those answers - because it’s the name of the proposed bill. True, but he’s not the first or the worst. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/49 "2017-11-06T18:26:37Z")
It’s unfair to pigeonhole **H-Ditzy** , who over time has proven himself a thoughtful and conscientious instigator of threads on a vast spectrum of subjects ranging from “Democrats did something stupid” to “Democrats are hypocrites” all the way to “Democrats are infighting, tee hee!” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/50 "2017-11-06T21:30:30Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > It’s unfair to pigeonhole **H-Ditzy** , who over time has proven himself a thoughtful and conscientious instigator of threads on a vast spectrum of subjects ranging from “Democrats did something stupid” to “Democrats are hypocrites” all the way to “Democrats are infighting, tee hee!” He runs the gamut, from A to Hole. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/51 "2017-11-06T23:22:48Z")
We’re driving all the conservatives away by being rude to them. We are just creating an echo chamber. I’m not saying I"ve never been rude or condescending, but I don’t see how it helps. Anyway, I strongly disagree with the argument that conservatives are more patriotic. The fact that they are covering up Trump and his administration which, by all appearances, works for the Russian government is the exact opposite of patriotism. Patriotism is defending your country, not your political party. Many republicans nowadays choose the latter. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/52 "2017-11-06T23:48:53Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > We’re driving all the conservatives away by being rude to them. We are just creating an echo chamber. I’m not saying I"ve never been rude or condescending, but I don’t see how it helps. I’d be more on board with this if they weren’t assholes too/first. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/53 "2017-11-07T01:07:56Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Anyway, I strongly disagree with the argument that conservatives are more patriotic. The fact that they are covering up Trump and his administration which, by all appearances, works for the Russian government is the exact opposite of patriotism. Patriotism is defending your country, not your political party. Many republicans nowadays choose the latter. Typos happen. Possibly they meant “partiotic”? Psychotically partisan? Just spitballing. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/54 "2017-11-07T02:45:09Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > We’re driving all the conservatives away by being rude to them. We are just creating an echo chamber. I’m not saying I"ve never been rude or condescending, but I don’t see how it helps. > > Anyway, I strongly disagree with the argument that conservatives are more patriotic. The fact that they are covering up Trump and his administration which, by all appearances, works for the Russian government is the exact opposite of patriotism. Patriotism is defending your country, not your political party. Many republicans nowadays choose the latter. This. Patriotism is not the same as jingoism. Patriotism is not running around shouting “We’re number 1!! We’re number 1!!” Especially not while acting like a steaming pile of number 2. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/55 "2017-11-07T02:51:34Z")
In my experience, when the right says they are more patriotic what they really mean is the right is more nativist and militaristic. To them, that is patriotism. Defending a native culture and wanting a strong military and police to help defend it. But lots and lots and lots of people do not share that definition of patriotism. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/56 "2017-11-07T04:03:51Z")
So how does one benefit from being patriotic anyway? Does that mean you’re less likely to be locked up when your government cracks down on its citizens? At least you’ll be properly armed if they’re really determined. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/57 "2017-11-07T12:38:46Z")
IMO the theory runs mostly the other way. In their thinking, being _un_patriotic is actively massively harmful to your country’s interests. And therefore by extension to your own when your country inevitabely declines and takes you with it. Being patriotic is at least a little helpful to your country and therefore helpful to yourself. It seems lots of folks on the right buy into the idea that we (the country) and they (the individual person) are locked in a desperate struggle for survival every day and if we’re / they’re not psychologically on a wartime footing against every other country / human being every minute then we / they are in danger of losing big time. It’s psychologically exhausting to run around in that state. Not to mention unhealthy. But, when properly goaded by propaganda it’s very useful to certain powerful factions. ---
**Author:** ![Squallous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Squallous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squallous)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/58 "2017-11-07T22:29:48Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > It seems lots of folks on the right buy into the idea that we (the country) and they (the individual person) are locked in a desperate struggle for survival every day and if we’re / they’re not psychologically on a wartime footing against every other country / human being every minute then we / they are in danger of losing big time. Straw man argument. What you described is present day North Korea, not the American right. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/59 "2017-11-07T23:40:53Z")
> [@Squallous](#): > > Straw man argument. What you described is present day North Korea, not the American right. So…you’ve never watched FOX News? What **LSLGuy** said is a lot like a lot of people act like. “We have to take back our _county_, man. They’d coming take our land. They are coming to take our guns. They are trying to turn us into a 3rd world country! They are trying to turn us Muslim, and ironically, at the same time, Atheist!” ---
**Author:** ![Squallous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Squallous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squallous)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699/60 "2017-11-08T16:41:58Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > So…you’ve never watched FOX News? What **LSLGuy** said is a lot like a lot of people act like. You actually believe Fox News? Or lemme guess… you believe Fox News when what they spew happens to confirm your own biases. The rest of the time you’re smart enough NOT to believe them, right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-you-are-just-so-full-of-shit/791699.md?page=4)