# Husband says woman shouldn't be defendant in breast-feeding **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2003, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298 "2003-06-25T14:37:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/21 "2003-06-25T19:00:13Z")
Amazingly, the article hardly touches on the manifest looniness of the First Christian Fellowship of Eternal Sovereignty. [Check out their website.](http://www.sovereignfellowship.com/) I like this bit from the “[Declaration of Sovereignty](http://www.sovereignfellowship.com/tos.php?sec=11)” that members sign: > [@](#): > > I abhor and denounce, as satanic, any and all numbers, tattoos, electronic identification, **my name spelled in all CAPITAL LETTERS and not with correct capital and lower case letters** , or other devices compelled, forced, or coerced by any government or its agents upon Sovereign individuals or private groups to thus label, track, brand, mark or identify Sovereigns or non-governmental associations. Ummm, okay. ---
**Author:** ![Blackclaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e68b1a/32.png) [@Blackclaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackclaw)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/22 "2003-06-25T19:07:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by blessedwolf \* > \*\*Way not to be judgemental in regards to other peoples’ belief systems, people. > \*\* I’m sorry, but I’m very very tired of being non-judgemental. Some people’s beliefs are stupid. Any belief that women are some sort of lesser species that can’t be held responsible for their own actions is stupid. Beating women because they showed an ankle is stupid. Believing that one can live off of air and light alone is stupid. Racism is stupid. There are all kinds of belief systems that are stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/23 "2003-06-25T20:40:25Z")
Optical Character Recognition software often works better with ALL CAPS. I think I’ll write: BRAD L. BARNHILL Woo-hoo! I’m an agent of Satan. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/24 "2003-06-25T20:48:35Z")
The difference between this and BSDM relationships is that in BDSM, the sub retains control of themselves; they can stop at any time. When it’s a religion or a cult that is controlling you, you can’t just stop any time you feel like it. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/25 "2003-06-25T21:23:28Z")
Good god, that guy’s crazier than a shithouse rat. If he takes it to the Supreme Court, this is going to be extremely amusing. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/26 "2003-06-25T21:38:10Z")
I can see it now: “The Supreme Court has rendered its decision: ‘Go away!’” ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/27 "2003-06-25T21:50:55Z")
From the article: > [@](#): > > Hansen says on the Web site that the fellowship’s main objectiveis to convert and educate sovereign Americans ``to demand and defend their God given rights and fulfill their duties as freedom loving Christians against the encroachment of the Beast and his agents.’’ > > **Hansen identifies the Beast as the federal government and some of its agents as the IRS, Social Security Administration, Environmental Protection Agency and the Drug Enforcement Administration.** Someone, please send this man a tinfoil hat soon. **cleosia** , I was think “Promise Keeper” when I first heard about this too… but if anything, this guy’s even loonier. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/28 "2003-06-25T21:57:36Z")
> [@](#): > > …my name spelled in all CAPITAL LETTERS and not with correct capital and lower case letters That’s not an uncommon argument by the sovereignty movement. IIRC, the argument is that spelling your name in all capitals is a sign of corporate status…since (according to them) the government doesn’t rightly have authority over individuals, but only corporations, by agreeing to accept documents with your names in all caps, you’re agreeing to your status as a corporate citizen, and thereby giving the gov’t authority over you. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/29 "2003-06-25T22:03:14Z")
Here’s a website with a descrioption of the theory. They’re nutso, and this site is trying to sell something, but they’re out there. [http://www.solgroup.com/notax/buckact.html](http://www.solgroup.com/notax/buckact.html) ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/30 "2003-06-25T22:08:03Z")
You should have pitted the wife and completely ignored the husband. That would drive him bonkers! ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/31 "2003-06-25T22:35:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Captain Amazing \* > \*\*That’s not an uncommon argument by the sovereignty movement. IIRC, the argument is that spelling your name in all capitals is a sign of corporate status…since (according to them) the government doesn’t rightly have authority over individuals, but only corporations, by agreeing to accept documents with your names in all caps, you’re agreeing to your status as a corporate citizen, and thereby giving the gov’t authority over you. \*\* Holy cow. I mean, any people who actually believe that to be the case, have to be missing key brain cells. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/32 "2003-06-25T22:45:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lno \* > \*\*Batman? \*\* Wait, wait… Batman _vs._ Super Fundie! Who would win? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/33 "2003-06-25T22:47:49Z")
I think you’re on the mark there, **Duke**. I found another such [site](http://www.usa-the-republic.com/revenue/true_history/Chap6.html): > [@](#): > > But if you spell your name in all capitals, JOSEPH JOHN SMITH, then that indicates that you are an artificial entity (person). There are really two entities with your name! The real person (you) and the fictional corporate U.S. citizen. The problem arises when the natural person contracts to be an artificial person. Which one are you claiming to be? Somehow, I’m not surprised that their [front page](http://www.usa-the-republic.com/) contains a link to the _Protocols of the Elders of Zion_, recommending it as “good reading.” Wheee. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2003, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/34 "2003-06-26T00:34:46Z")
blessedwolf: If that’s exactly what their belief system is, then the woman shouldn’t be driving anywhere without hubby in the car or via radio to tell her when to brake, when to turn, when to hit the gas pedal, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2003, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/35 "2003-06-26T02:02:12Z")
I wonder if this loony believes in slavery too…oh, wait…his wife certainly does. I am surprised their child hasn’t been removed from their custody. And reading the bit about people with tattos to be satanic, damn, makes me want to run out and get one. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2003, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/36 "2003-06-26T02:48:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Captain Amazing \* > \*\*Here’s a website with a descrioption of the theory. They’re nutso, and this site is trying to sell something, but they’re out there. > > [http://www.solgroup.com/notax/buckact.html](http://www.solgroup.com/notax/buckact.html) \*\* Once I was sitting in a post office waiting for my number to come up, and this loony sitting next to me warned me about using CA instead of Calif. on my package. I always wondered what the hell he was talking about, but now I know to look out for the shadow government. Fnord. ---
**Author:** ![snac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90db22/32.png) [@snac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snac)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2003, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/37 "2003-06-26T04:08:47Z")
Do we know why the husband allows her to have a different last name from his own? ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2003, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/38 "2003-06-26T04:29:38Z")
Probably because they [oppose state marriage licenses](http://www.sovereignfellowship.com/tos.php?sec=101). They think that if you get a marriage license, you’re a polygamist, marrying the other person as well as the state. Along with lots of other weird reasoning. So if she’s not legally married to him by state law, unless their state happens to recognize common-law marriage, presumably she can’t take his last name? Or else maybe that was the newspaper’s (or the police’s) doing, since they’re presumably not legally married according to state law. I particularly like [this](http://www.sovereignfellowship.com/tos.php?sec=101) page, which after the pseudo-King James rant against the IRS granting 501©(3) status to churches and thus interfering with them, the last sentence reads: > [@](#): > > The writer of this article is in no way against the paying of any lawful taxes due to the IRS. Uh…right. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2003, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/39 "2003-06-26T04:31:44Z")
Oops, apparently I didn’t copy the [second](http://www.sovereignfellowship.com/tos.php?sec=103) link right. Try this one. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2003, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298/40 "2003-06-26T11:52:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lieu \* > \*\*Our disgust stems not from him being a stand-up guy but for trying to pass off his intolerance for any governmental control on society as some kind of a religion. “Making me follow a law I disagree with means I’m going to hell.” ??? Please. That’s not a faith. That’s not a religion. It’s a bullshit invocation of the religion card to get his way. \*\* Like Christians not wanting to recognize the Roman emperor as a god? Or Catholics in Britian performing Catholic rituals even when it was illegal? Hard as it is to believe sometimes laws to run counter to religious beliefs. Of course I don’t have any problem making fun of this guys beliefs. Marc [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/husband-says-woman-shouldnt-be-defendant-in-breast-feeding/184298.md?page=3)