# Hyperbole, thy name is Chumpsky **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 24, 2002, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643 "2002-12-24T01:06:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/1 "2002-12-24T01:06:00Z")
Since he began posting to Great Debates, **Chumpsky** seems to have infuriated other posters like no one since, well, since I don’t know when. Boasting a style that mixes strident Marxist/anarchist cant, seething hostility towards anyone who even hints at disagreeing with him, a highly casual attitude towards providing cites for his assertions, and a complete inability to admit that he’s ever been wrong about anything, if a GD thread becomes a train wreck, five will get you ten that **Chumpsky** can be found standing at the switch. Now it’s not for me to say that he’s a troll, but it is painfully apparent that **Chumpsky** vehemently disagrees with just about every popularly held political or religious view. By way of example, here’s a few links to some of his more, er, _unusual_ claims from just the past two weeks: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2759413#post2759413](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2759413#post2759413) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2755859#post2755859](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2755859#post2755859) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2753258#post2753258](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2753258#post2753258) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2750193#post2750193](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2750193#post2750193) Note: After demands for cites from other posters, **Chumpsky** provided links which he claimed backed his ridiculous assertion of 2 million dead in Iraq since the Gulf War. The links provided, from mostly far-leftist sources, gave no indication of how the figures were arrived at. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2738199#post2738199](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2738199#post2738199) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2732571#post2732571](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2732571#post2732571) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2718185#post2718185](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2718185#post2718185) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2705836#post2705836](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2705836#post2705836) I wanted to go all the way back to his assertion that Israel had never been attacked by its neighbors, but decided I’d best spare the hamsters. Anyway, let’s relish this resfreshingly skewed viewpoint while we can. As **Chumpsky** disagrees so very, very much with so very, very many things, I am pessimistic that we will have the enjoyment of his purple prose much longer. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/2 "2002-12-24T01:11:01Z")
But baiting him is _fun_. Please don’t take my toys away, you meanie. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/3 "2002-12-24T01:28:48Z")
Well, next to him I look positively centrist. I’m not sure that’s a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/4 "2002-12-24T01:36:46Z")
I am still not convinced he isn’t trolling, and he is really a closet member of the 700 Club. Regards, Shodan But not to worry, **'luc** - we still love you. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d26b3c/32.png) [@UncleBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBill)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/5 "2002-12-24T01:59:48Z")
[Monty Python and the Holy Grail](http://www.kjartan.org/humor/holy_grail_script.html), Scene Three, with the role of Dennis played by **Chumpsky**. As we begin this segment, Arthur has ridden up to some peasants. Let’s listen in, shall we? > [@](#): > > **Dennis** - You’re fooling yourself. We’re living in a dictatorship: a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes– > **Woman** - Oh, there you go bringing class into it again. > **Dennis** - That’s what it’s all about. If only people would hear of– > > \ > > **Dennis** - I told you. We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive Officer for the week,… > **Arthur** - Yes. > **Dennis** - …but all the decision of that Officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting… > **Arthur** - Yes, I see. > **Dennis** - …by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,… > **Arthur** - Be quiet! > **Dennis** - …but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major– > **Arthur** - Be quiet! I order you to be quiet! > > \ > > **Dennis** - Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a Mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. > **Arthur** - Be quiet! > **Dennis** - Well, but you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you! > **Arthur** - Shut up! > **Dennis** - I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away! > **Arthur** - Shut up, will you? Shut up! > **Dennis** - Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system. > **Arthur** - Shut up! > **Dennis** - Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I’m being repressed! > **Arthur** - Bloody peasant! > **Dennis** - Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That’s what I’m on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/6 "2002-12-24T03:19:18Z")
I like Chumpsky. Posting Poindexter’s home address was brilliant. Fight the powers, Chumpsky. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/7 "2002-12-24T03:22:35Z")
I’m wondering if **Chumpsky** isn’t a sock. There was another poster here who registered at the same time as **Chumpsky** , made some of the same hysterical postings that **Chumpsky** ’s favored us with, promptly had his/her ass handed to him/her on a silver platter, and profousely apologized, stated that he/she had gotten worked up emotionally over the issue and didn’t mean a lot of the comments he/she’d posted. Said poster since then has been a model poster and has not (to my knowledge) made any other wild comments. I have no evidence that **Chumpsky** ’s a sock, and given that the other poster I’ve mentioned has indeed been well-behaved, I shalln’t mention his/her name to anyone other than a Mod. Still, their fevered ramblings have a same hysterical style to them. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/8 "2002-12-24T03:29:17Z")
> [@](#): > > I like Chumpsky. Posting Poindexter’s home address was brilliant. Really. Pointless grandstanding, more like. Have you called or written to the Admiral, by any chance? What about? Has anyone here? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/9 "2002-12-24T03:53:17Z")
Hey, **Tucker** Carlson, nice veiled sock reference. Hey, can I use that when all and sundry start spouting the RNC memos the day they come out? C’mon, let’s do a search for “But Robert Byrrrrrrrd did ittttt,” cuz I"m wondering if you were all socks, pancho. \>:D ROFL! Hey, here’s another thought! Maybe, jusssst maybe, A LOT OF FUCKING PEOPLE ARE PISSED AT THE BUSH MALADMINISTRATION!!! Damn them to hell for not saying it differently each time! We _so_ apologize for the non _diversity_ of tone, and humbly abase ourselves beneath your oh so subtle ban-begging. Please list which leftist stylistic niches are still available for our ordering pleasure, oh corporate master… ---
**Author:** ![barton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@barton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/barton)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/10 "2002-12-24T03:56:59Z")
Dismiss him or not, you can’t deny he has fighting spirit. He does, admittedly, sometimes make me feel like I should join the Young Captialist Republican’s Club just so I can bring balance to the Force. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/11 "2002-12-24T04:03:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > \*\*Hey, **Tucker** Carlson, nice veiled sock reference. Hey, can I use that when all and sundry start spouting the RNC memos the day they come out? > > C’mon, let’s do a search for “But Robert Byrrrrrrrd did ittttt,” cuz I"m wondering if you were all socks, pancho. \>:D > > ROFL! Hey, here’s another thought! Maybe, jusssst maybe, A LOT OF FUCKING PEOPLE ARE PISSED AT THE BUSH MALADMINISTRATION!!! Damn them to hell for not saying it differently each time! We _so_ apologize for the non _diversity_ of tone, and humbly abase ourselves beneath your oh so subtle ban-begging. > > Please list which leftist stylistic niches are still available for our ordering pleasure, oh corporate master… \*\* Wow! If that’s not an irrational posting, I don’t know what one is! Uh **Ace** , it’s not the fact that **Chumpsky** disagrees with the Bushitas that have most of us irritated, it’s that **Chumpsky** can’t seem to back up his assertations with anything. Unless I’m mistaken, this board is about fighting ignorance, not bitching because the idiot that won the election isn’t the idiot that we wanted to win the election. **Chumpsky** ’s great about how evil everything the Bush administration does is, but not so great on coming up with alternatives. And I don’t recall asking for **Chumpsky** to be banned. Whilst I did posit the _theory_ that he’s a sock (which is indeed a bannable offense), I stated quite clearly that it **was** speculation on my part. If your paranoia’s so great that you think I mentioned that possibility simply in hopes that **Chumpsky** gets banned, then I suggest you switch meds. I frankly could care less if he’s a sock or not. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/12 "2002-12-24T04:39:19Z")
Your positing the theory that _Chumsky_ is a sock, which you admit to being speculation, has another name: “Character assassination by innuendo.” ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/13 "2002-12-24T05:21:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > \*\*Hey, **Tucker** Carlson, nice veiled sock reference. Hey, can I use that when all and sundry start spouting the RNC memos the day they come out? > > C’mon, let’s do a search for “But Robert Byrrrrrrrd did ittttt,” cuz I"m wondering if you were all socks, pancho. \>:D > > \*\* Maybe it’s the wine, but I don’t get it. What the fuck are you talking about? Are you saying that the Dopers are all too conservative for you crazy anarchists? I hope all of y’all conservative Republicans who complain that the Dopers are all biased liberals who’ve been brainwashed by the media are paying attention. Now we’re too conservative! I have every liberal credential a girl could want. I’m a member of the Green Party, for heaven’s sake. Believe me, a lot of people are unhappy with the Republican agenda, and we aren’t all thrilled about Ariel Sharon (if **Chumpsky** knows as much about Israeli politics as he claims to, he’ll know what I mean when I say I am a Meretznik), but it didn’t our brains fall apart. **Chumpsky** is a complete and utter loon. He’s like an extremely uninformed Noam Chomsky on crystal meth. ---
**Author:** ![Daoloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Daoloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daoloth)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/14 "2002-12-24T05:57:24Z")
I don’t think he’s a troll- he tends to stay for his arguments, and does this a lot. It seems like with trolls they stir up the pot and then run. He typically stays around. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/15 "2002-12-24T06:04:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > \*\*Your positing the theory that _Chumsky_ is a sock, which you admit to being speculation, has another name: > > “Character assassination by innuendo.” \*\* Except, of course, one has to have a character to assassinate, which **Chumpsky** doesn’t. IAC, I seriously doubt that my comments will lower anyone’s opinion of **Chumpsky** , he does that well enough on his own. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/16 "2002-12-24T06:52:49Z")
Wow, I never thought I’d see “innuendo” and “Chumpsky” in the same sentence. Unless it was innuendo in one of Chumpsky’s sentences. I see that all the time. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/17 "2002-12-24T12:14:03Z")
When **Chumpsky** goes out you door, **december** comes innuendo. Thank you, thank you, but seriously folks… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/18 "2002-12-24T20:17:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kyla \* > \*\*Maybe it’s the wine, but I don’t get it. What the fuck are you talking about? Are you saying that the Dopers are all too conservative for you crazy anarchists? I hope all of y’all conservative Republicans who complain that the Dopers are all biased liberals who’ve been brainwashed by the media are paying attention. Now we’re too conservative! \*\* Not at all. I’m saying if perceived sytlistic consistencies between posters are grounds for idly wondering if two people are the same poster, a bannable offense, then we’ll have to do some serious “speculation” to catch up with, as many folks are guilty of posting very similar things in very similar styles. For my money, this outcome is to be expected when we have as many people posting as we do here. ---
**Author:** ![Exgineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Exgineer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exgineer)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/19 "2002-12-24T21:03:38Z")
I have a few questions for **Ace**. Setting aside the “sock-puppet” hijack, what do you really think of **Chumpsky**? I am hardly the most conservative person in the world, but I can’t find any credibility in the guy’s posts at all. Do you think he has adequately substantiated any of his hysterical-sounding posts? Do you agree with any of those posts? If so, do you really want him on your side in a debate? Do you worry that associating yourself with him might harm your own credibility? Frankly, I read his posts with pleasure, but I’ll never respond to one, because that would be pointless. IMHO, he’s a paranoid wingnut. But he’s a damned entertaining paranoid wignut. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2002, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/20 "2002-12-24T21:40:06Z")
**Chumpsky** is one of the most educated, if we describe educated as a person that has read a lot and do not go with the main stream in every thought. There is people that has gone through universities, but does not understand anything exept their field. So obviouly I do not take them as “educated”. That about that. I think he has been upbrought in some kind of mixed cultures/languages etc. It is just a guess, but it is very rare that some monocultural person can think forhimself in a bigger spheres. Usually the monocultural people’s thinking is orbiting as far as the ego goes. And there has been may very monocultural persons in several threads that has attacked **Chumpsky** for some kind of egoism, even if the thruth is that they should look sometimes in the mirror. Personally I also have been attacked by some people that can’t even read. So also has happen with **Chumpsky**. I do disagree on some points with **Chumpsky** , but he is usually more right than 90% of the posters opposing his views. Unfortunately many people has a mind that is seeking the through between the liberal views and Fox-news thinking that the truth wil be found somewhere between. And then there are our most loved red-necks, that always want to defend the “going to what-ever war” - we are always right - we will show them etc. They usually take their history lessons from news-papers, (that they like and have the same views). Cross-reading is not their style, and usually quite hard because they are bound to one language/political sect and stays on that level. The irony is that I am a capitalist in Russia, moved here 6 years ago. I can keep marxist lessons for my workers any day and know more about it, than my workers who are been grown up in a so called “sosialistic country, USSR”. It is funny to read that some of the North American posters, just are so deep throdden with propaganda, the same propaganda that was here. And then these posters are using this false propaganda as arguments! I translated to some of the more intelligent/educated people here, some posters posts, and my Russian friends just could not believe that people that can be soberminded in some issues and then just rocket in the most lunatic way about other issues. Just like Josef did in his propaganda. The rednecks just fly in the other ultimate direction. Let me a little bit explain, because I know that the most posters can’t follow anything that is not underlined with an example: - My workers gets paid per cbm of wood they perform. They know that they get their share. - I get my share from their work. They know that too. - A much bigger share. Naturally they know that. They also know that when I am exporting the products I can give a shit what is the level of salaries inside Russia. Even a child understands that. And then I see posters that are arguing with **Chumpsky** about that the capitalists are very concerned about the wages of the people, because if not, nobody could by their products!!! They can not understand that half of the world, the poorer part, is feeding the richer part with raw-material. Yeah, I have heard the argument: There is always a 'world-market price" for everything. Yes athere is, and it’s fucking good for my pocket, because it is about three times higher in US and Canada than here. I am speaking about the wooden flooring business, parquets etc. **Chumpsky** is going further in this. He is pin-pointing that this is happening also in a smaller geographical scale. And people can’t see it, because it is not the headlines in Wall Street Journal. They belive that democracy is equal with the right to vote for this millionere or that millionere. Jesus Christ! Often **Chumpsky** is fighting a kindergarten and people are asking for cites about common sense, or widely known facts outside USA. Eg. when there in one thread was something about Chile. And the innocence with the: “Prove that USA is imperialistic”, is just too ridiculous. Go to a library and read books from the third world. Just read and You will find it in so many forms that You go dizzy. Unfotrunately I can’t give titles here from Russia, because most of these books are not available here. The thruth is, that if US, England, France, Russia (beeing again imperialistic a little bit later) or whoever would not be imperialistic, someone else would be. That is the law of capitalism. Still about flooring business: I could sell wooden flooring, Us standards for half of the price and still making profit, after freight and every other costs included. Just for kicks. There is only one but; my investors would come down on me in no time and I would be sawing in a kolhos for the Moscow market the very next day. I just want to point out, that we are all in the same shit. Some has more freedom as others, but everyones is limited. Except **Chumpsky** ’s, of course. And I am glad for him, even if I do not share every view with him. So, if You do not like **Chumpsky** , turn on the Fox News, open a beer and be happy. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643.md?page=2)