# Hyperbole, thy name is Chumpsky **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 24, 2002, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643 "2002-12-24T01:06:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/41 "2002-12-26T17:04:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eva Luna \* > \*\*Well, I won’t speak to your first point, and the second is arguable, but when you start posting in (at least) your third language, then you will have the right to criticize \*\*Henry’s \*\* English writing style. > > Of course, if you are posting in your third language, then I apologize. \*\* If ever I start posting on a Russian message board, I will do my best to avoid sweeping, one-sided non-sequitur-filled spelling and grammar-compromised rants against everything Russian. Then again, I don’t feel the need to to act like a xenophobic idjit on a foreign-based message board. I will concede, however, that **Henry** is a multi- or at least bilingual idjit. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/42 "2002-12-26T17:45:43Z")
Nice! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/43 "2002-12-26T18:00:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jackmannii \* > \*\*If ever I start posting on a Russian message board, I will do my best to avoid sweeping, one-sided non-sequitur-filled spelling and grammar-compromised rants against everything Russian. > > Then again, I don’t feel the need to to act like a xenophobic idjit on a foreign-based message board. > I will concede, however, that **Henry** is a multi- or at least bilingual idjit. \*\* Well, not to pick any further nits, but a) \*\*Henry \*\*, although he is currently living in Russia, is not Russian (and yes, I do believe that having lived in multiple cultures gives a person greater than average insight into other cultures in general, but that’s my own bias, even if it is based on many years of experience); and b) although he may disagree with some of your posts/opinions and/or some (or even most) American foreign policy behaviors, that does not necessarily make him xenophobic, or even anti-American. If you want to disagree with the content, though, by all means, knock yourself out. Hell, I love so many things about this country, and I still disagree with about 95% of our foreign policy these days. On second thought, I guess that makes me pretty one-sided. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/44 "2002-12-26T18:29:53Z")
Fine, you can change “Russian” in my post to “Finnish/Russian”. I’ve been down the road of trying to debate **Henry** before. When you counter one of his stream-of-consciousness rants with alternative facts and explanations, he blithely ignores them to continue his totally one-sided spewings (i.e. on the subject of Middle East policy). He is similar to other ranters in the mold of **Pjen** , who have a determinedly “four legs good, two legs bad” worldview. If and when he makes a substantive\* argument on a subject of interest to me, showing that he has knowledge of and has weighed evidence on multiple sides, I will answer him civilly in the appropriate forum. I am not holding my breath. Multiculturalism is not a substitute for reason. \*not to mention “nice”. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/45 "2002-12-26T20:56:41Z")
**Jackmannii** > [@](#): > > I’ve been down the road of trying to debate Henry before. When you counter one of his stream-of-consciousness rants with alternative facts and explanations, he blithely ignores them to continue his totally one-sided spewings (i.e. on the subject of Middle East policy). Cite please? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/46 "2002-12-26T21:18:52Z")
**Henry** , you MUST be kidding. It’s all you’ve ever posted, that Pro-Palestinian, Anti-American, barely literate drivel. Don’t even try to play dumb. Do a search on your own name. That little search button under your posts, and you’ll find out that you post virtually the same thing over and over again. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/47 "2002-12-26T22:17:44Z")
Where has Jackmannii given alternative facts and explanations? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/48 "2002-12-27T13:01:33Z")
Do the search as suggested. Bricks, as space fillers in the head should not be encouraged. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/49 "2002-12-28T09:19:37Z")
**Airman Doors** wrote: > [@](#): > > It’s all you’ve ever posted, that Pro-Palestinian, Anti-American, barely literate drivel. > > Don’t even try to play dumb. Do a search on your own name. That little search button under your posts, and you’ll find out that you post virtually the same thing over and over again. **Airman Doors!** I wrote 1 hour **earlier** , before You posted the text above, about my “Anti-Americanism”, in another thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=127414&pagenumber=4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=127414&pagenumber=4) > [@](#): > > I do not agree that a group can not reach a higher cultural/economical position than an other group. That depends very much on what background and back up You have. > One example: We that are ice-hockey-fans in Finland admire the Americans (including Canada in this respect, **because they never give up!!!**. > (And hockey is culture, do not try to argue about that :). > The US team can be behind 5 -1 when the last period begins and they just attack, attack and attack. And make scores! Not always winning, but never giving up. > And I call that “the true American spirit”. > Do not think that I am buttering You up here. I hate Your foreign policy! > **But I admire the Americans. As people.** > And am I wrong if I tell that the American people often in individual situations are stepping on the same side as the under-dog? > Anyhow You have many films where the guy in a totally impossible situation begins to fight upwards. Against anything that is wrong, or because of something (s)he thinks is right. > (S)he can win, (s)he can lose, but (s)he always win morally. > That is also, as I see it “the American spirit”. > That Washington is not always on the side of the under-dog, to put it mildly, is another story. So if I am “Anti-American" in Your eyes, I can not help You. Then about how **Pro-Palestinian** I am, You can read my posts again. I have written a lot about it, that is true, but why should I not? (Free country and all that stuff…) The thesis has been mainly: **1)** The mass-media does not give a balanced picture of the situation in Palestine. **2)** The Palestinians has the right to defend themselves in the occupied parts. They should not kill civilians, they should hit the military and military targets. **3)** Israel is occupying parts of Palestine, (on the command of the government, again, not necessary the people), they are the victims of occupation, not the other way round. **4)** In any country that is occupied, it is not just a right to defend Your country or fatherland, it is Your duty. Every man and woman has this duty. And some of us has even sworn an oath about this matter. Sounds familiar? My country (Finland) has a history of fighting Stalin, when he wanted to occupy Finland, with Molotov-coctails and what ever was at hand. That is called **patriotism**. I call my father and my step-father patriots. They both had rifles, and the later a machine-gun later in the wars. So if the Eskimos are the next victims of occupation, I am pro-Eskimo in Your eyes? **I still call the fight of any occupied people, against the oppressors, patriotism.** Hungary 1956, Checkoslowakia [sp?] 1968, etc. Just try to grasp that this word is not only ment for Americans like You. Remember that every soldier in Iraq, that You might be facing, is also a patriot. Please, respect him for this. It is probably not his fault that Saddam is in power. * * * P.S. The OP should be: Chumsky and Henry, Your both name… Sorry for hijacking so much but I have to answer these jack-asses. Next coming up **Jackmannii**. A very short one. ---
**Author:** ![trader\_of\_shots](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@trader\_of\_shots](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/trader_of_shots)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/50 "2002-12-28T11:04:54Z")
Sorry i am not a GBer - not so ironically i like to keep it short and painful like a snake bite. Not drawn out and decaying like my grandmother. Only problem i see with \*\*Chumpsky \*\* is that he cna not see when he is being baited. But then again, the OP also has this problem. As for him comments… i see them as logical and true. (only the ones cited, i do not knwo about any others) I think the OP should pull the stick from his arse and relax a little. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/51 "2002-12-28T13:14:41Z")
As You have seen **Jackmannii** wrote: > [@](#): > > I’ve been down the road of trying to debate Henry before. **When you counter one of his stream-of-consciousness rants with alternative facts and explanations, he blithely ignores them to continue his totally one-sided spewings** (i.e. on the subject of Middle East policy). (Bolding mine). Then **Jackmannii** wrote: > [@](#): > > Do the search as suggested. So I did. What can cause such reactions from **Jackmannii**? I think our first contact about this was in the thread of **Jjimm: “Somebody please justify Israeli settlements to me”** [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141428](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141428) In my first post in this thread, I give cites as follows: **Uri Avnery** , [http://www.gush-shalom.org/archives/article217.html](http://www.gush-shalom.org/archives/article217.html) **Gush-Shalom** is the biggest peace movement in Israel. An Israeli-Palestinian peace movement. and **EDITH GARWOOD** in **The Charlotte Observer** [http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/4338916.htm](http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/4338916.htm) and **The Palestine Monitor** [http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/appeal\_cover.htm](http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/appeal_cover.htm) and **Helena Cobban** in **Christian Science Monitor** : [http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0708/p09s01-coop.html](http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0708/p09s01-coop.html) Then, some posts later comes **Jackmannii** , hinting something in my direction. (He does not know that I am a Finn, not a Russian). In my next post I tell him about Finnish history and how it is partly a parallel to the Palestinian etc. **Jackmannii** tells that I should read more history etc. Nothing specific in my eyes. No cites. Two posts later I republish two stories from **Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP)**. **Jackmannii** tells that I should read more history etc. and a parallel story. No cites. I answer his parallel with a story from **REUTERS** , which is telling more or less the same as the **Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP)** told in their story: [http://uk.news.yahoo.com/021027/80/dd72h.html](http://uk.news.yahoo.com/021027/80/dd72h.html) In my next post, I answer another member about **the Taba-offer**. [http://www.gush-shalom.org/media/barak\_eng.swf](http://www.gush-shalom.org/media/barak_eng.swf) Then **Jackmannii** begins to attack me in another thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...003#post2562003](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...003#post2562003) I ask **Jackmannii** 10 specific questions, etc.; of Unnecessary to say: No answer to these questions. I ask him again to come back to the original thread and not accuse me about not knowing history etc. in the thread **”Kill Saddam, while US can develop all the WMD it wants, what a load of crap!’** Then **Jackmannii** finally answers > [@](#): > > **Henry** , you have a bad habit of ignoring counterarguments, instead posting irrelevancies and nonsequiturs backed by references to dubious sources (Islamic Association for Palestine, HearPalestine etc.). ending his post with: > [@](#): > > And it would be lovely, if as you say, peace could be arranged on the '67 borders. The Arabs who attacked Israel in '73 apparently did not think so. > This is just one example of your vast, possibly willful ignorance of history. > Further communications with you here are not likely to be fruitful. **This guy is incredible!** When we finally agree, as I have been agreeing for years, about the borders, he begins to speak that because the Palestinians might not have thought so in ‘73, it is something wrong with my understanding of history!!??? I have not written a line in the whole thread about the war’ 73, but other members has and in my post was a mentioning about it in the **REUTERS** story!!! (In the another thread he attacks me on the basis that in this thread described above, with that a Palestinian news-group has translated one of my sources; The daily newspaper in Bahrain; Al-Ayam. I do not care to answer anymore, crossing from one thread to another). OK, **Jackmannii** , maybe I can not write English very well, but You can’t even read it. Is it perhaps, Your second language or something? You can now open another thread, and begin to attack me there for what I have written in this thread. Or any other thread. You are not the only one who has this as a habit. By the way, **Chumsky** gave **5** cites in this described thread, **Jackmannii** gave **0** cites in this described thread. I do not care to answer anymore, crossing from one thread to another, or guys with **Jackmannii** debating-level. Thank You for reading. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/52 "2002-12-28T13:19:34Z")
Guh? ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/53 "2002-12-28T14:24:04Z")
Has anyone else notived that the subject of the OP hasn’t appeared here, even once? Does anyone have reason to believe that he’s even seen this thread and is deliberately ignoring it? Not that I really care in the end, I guess; I hadn’t associated **Chumpsky** with a posting style at all, so I really have no opinion about him per se. I just popped in here out of morbid curiosity. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643/54 "2002-12-28T15:45:02Z")
Gah. **Henry** , you attained your reputation here through bleatings such as: \*"What would You do, if the army would kill a child in Your country every 3rd day? Or if it would happen in Your neighbouring country. Would You: - think: not my children, not my race, not my case. - or would You react? I got information about this site through Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP)."\* You’ve consistently failed to address substantive points I’ve raised on this subject, including of course the one you brought up here. Intelligent and reasonable people may lean to one side or another on the subject of Israel and its neighbors in the Middle East. But they recognize there is some degree of blame on both sides. People like you and **december** are propagandists who appear more interested in inspiring hate than in promoting understanding. With you, one also has to wade through “Hungary 1956, Checkoslowakia [sp?] 1968”, Eskimos, Stalin, ice hockey, good factory management and God knows what else to try and comprehend what goes on in your brain. And I question whether the effort is worthwhile. Since you do not truly engage in debate, I see no point in debating with you in the future. Occasionally a refutation of your more slanted or inaccurate statements might be called for. Happy New Year. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hyperbole-thy-name-is-chumpsky/144643.md?page=2)