# Hypothetical: a modern Zippo lighter on a Caribbean pirate ship of the classic period (early 18th century) **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 24, 2026, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936 "2026-02-24T16:47:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936/21 "2026-02-24T18:26:26Z")
So if regular flint doesn’t work with the existing wheel in the Zippo (it might), a sufficiently skilled blacksmith could fabricate a replacement out of wrought iron and that probably would spark in conjunction with natural flint. Or pyrite might work as a replacement - it was used in wheel lock guns, which are basically the same mechanism as a lighter. > **[Wheellock](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheellock)** > > A wheellock, wheel-lock, or wheel lock is a friction-wheel mechanism which creates a spark that causes a firearm to fire. It was the next major development in firearms technology after the matchlock, and the first self-igniting firearm. Its name is from its rotating steel wheel to provide ignition. Developed in Europe around 1500, it was used alongside the matchlock (c. 1410s), the snaplock (c. 1540s), the snaphance (c. 1560s), and the flintlock (c. 1610s). > The wheellock works by spinning a spri... ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936/22 "2026-02-24T18:39:57Z")
The stuff called “flint” in modern lighters is NOT the same as the natural rock called flint. It’s actually an alloy based on the metal cerium and has been known by various names such as [mischmetal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischmetal) or ferrocerium (because the alloy often includes iron), and firestarters based on it are variously known as ferrorod, firesteel, etc. In modern lighters you’re scraping sparks off the ferrocerium using a hard steel striker; with natural flint and steel you’re striking sparks off the steel using the hard flint. For firestarting this is a big deal because of one huge fact: the sparks struck with natural flint and steel aren’t hot enough to reach the flash point of most flammable volitiles. They were hot enough to ignite black powder obviously but usually were only able to get pre-charred material to start smoldering as an ember, which could then be used to get tinder to light. Mischmetal sparks are much hotter and can produce flame directly, either with volitiles or so-called “flash” tinder such as cotton lint that is finely divided enough that it will catch directly. So I would say that without advanced chemistry you’re not going to be able to renew your Zippo “flints” once they’re gone. ETA: and so said multiple comments before me. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2026, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936/23 "2026-02-25T06:45:09Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Or pyrite might work as a replacement - it was used in wheel lock guns, which are basically the same mechanism as a lighter. Hey! So _that’s_ why it’s called pyrite, and pyrites. I’ve always wondered I managed to not get any geology in my education, and only recently learned about “igneous” rocks. I see that pyrite is ‘harder than metals’ and ‘softer than ferrocerium’. And of course, both have iron sparks. So who knows. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2026, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936/24 "2026-02-25T06:59:34Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > I was more thinking of lighting your pipe than firing cannons. 😉 I use a Zippo to light my pipe. Nice wide flame that covers the bowl nicely. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2026, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936/25 "2026-02-25T08:30:14Z")
If you are interested in the spark producing stones there is a nice chapter in Primo Levi’s book “The Periodic Table” about cerium and how he and another inmate in a concentration camp work to carve flintstones for the black market from a bigger piece of cerium, with lots of sparks produced in the process. Here is the story, page 139 if the link is not set at that point: > **[The Periodic Table : Primo Levi : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming :...](https://archive.org/details/the-periodic-table-by-primo-levi-z-lib.org/page/138/mode/2up)** > > The Periodic Table is largely a memoir of the years before and after Primo Levi’s transportation from his native Italy to Auschwitz as an anti-Facist... ETA: Here some context: [https://aeon.co/classics/the-chemical-element-that-sparked-a-victory-in-auschwitz](https://aeon.co/classics/the-chemical-element-that-sparked-a-victory-in-auschwitz) ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2026, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936/26 "2026-02-25T10:08:20Z")
Thanks, that’s an interesting and moving account. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2026, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936/27 "2026-02-25T12:01:04Z")
The whole book is nerdy to read, but that chapter really got me. It’s been a long while, I hope I have given the content more or less correctly. Imagine a world where a flintstone for lighters is so valuable that you risk your life at night in a concentration camp to get one right. That and the account about potassium (page 50 ff.). Which, you know, does interesting things with water, particularly when you don’t expect it. I had to laugh (handbasket and so on, yes). ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2026, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936/28 "2026-02-25T12:17:53Z")
Can you enjoy the book without deeper knowledge in chemistry? Though I had chemistry classes at school and college (EE), I’m really not an expert in that field. But I could follow the chapter about cerium quite well, now that I’ve learned what it is. ETA: one of my best friends is a chemical engineer. We live 500 km apart and usually don’t exchange gifts for Christmas or birthdays, but if the need/opportunity will ever arise, I now know what book to give him. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2026, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936/29 "2026-02-25T12:35:14Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Can you enjoy the book without deeper knowledge in chemistry? Yes, it a personal account, not a chemistry handbook at all. Primo Levi uses the elements mostly as hooks for stories about things that happened to him. He tells about them, does not assume you have a chemistry degree. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2026, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936/30 "2026-02-25T12:37:56Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Yes, it a personal account, not a chemistry handbook at all. I understood that, but was wondering if those hooks required chemical knowledge to be understood. Thanks, I’ll probably read the whole book. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2026, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936/31 "2026-02-25T12:42:10Z")
I think you’ll enjoy it. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2026, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936/32 "2026-02-25T14:21:16Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Primo Levi uses the elements mostly as hooks for stories about things that happened to him. They’re not _all_ autobiographical, although most are. A couple like _Mercury_ or _Carbon_, are just short fictions. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2026, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936/33 "2026-02-26T22:26:03Z")
[An AI solution.](https://s3.amazonaws.com/gs-geo-images/5b020d15-33db-4da1-8fcb-1e93b045ae03_l.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2026, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-a-modern-zippo-lighter-on-a-caribbean-pirate-ship-of-the-classic-period-early-18th-century/1027936/34 "2026-02-26T22:43:34Z")
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