# Hypothetical Sex Morality Question **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 17, 2004, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-sex-morality-question/280341 "2004-12-17T14:45:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-sex-morality-question/280341/61 "2004-12-18T20:20:40Z")
Okay, that’s fair. However, I disagree, for the reason I’ve already said. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-sex-morality-question/280341/62 "2004-12-18T20:23:08Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > Yes that is if she is wearing maternity clothes. bwah? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-sex-morality-question/280341/63 "2004-12-18T20:24:29Z")
Fair is what I’m after here. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-sex-morality-question/280341/64 "2004-12-18T20:25:52Z")
Same here. For the kid. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-sex-morality-question/280341/65 "2004-12-18T20:26:34Z")
Ye maternity clothes. I don’t think that the mother of a 10 year old should be able to terminate her maternity. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-sex-morality-question/280341/66 "2004-12-18T20:27:50Z")
Good. I want fair for mom , dad and the kid . ---
**Author:** ![stretch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@stretch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stretch)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-sex-morality-question/280341/67 "2004-12-19T05:14:54Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > Look, I have never come across any situation where the income of the custodial parent factors in the amount of child support the other parent must pay. I would accept anecdotes from posters refuting me. In Washington State, the income of both parents\* is taken into account to determine the total monthly child support obligation and the percentage of that total amount that each parent is responsible for. The following are actual numbers from a Washington State child support order filed in December 2002 (made up names): Sue’s income is $1473/month, Joe’s income is $3637/month; they had one child. The following deductions are being taken into consideration: Income tax - Joe = $417, Sue = $19; FICA - Joe = $287, Sue = $113; Pension Plan - Joe = $182, Sue = $0. We now have an adjusted total gross income of $2751 for Joe and $1341 for Sue. This equals a total combined monthly income for the child’s parents of $4092. You divide each parent’s gross income by the total gross income to determine the percentage of the child support obligation they are required to provide. In this case, Joe’s obligation is 67.2% and Sue’s obligation is 32.8%. Per the Washington State Child Support Schedule\*\* the basic child support obligation per month is $770 for one child for parents with a combined gross income of $4092. This means that Joe’s share of the monthly support obligation is 67.2% of $4095 ($517); Sue’s share is 32.8% of $4092 ($253).\*\*\* If Joe has custody, Sue will have to pay him $253 per month.\*\*\*\* If Sue has custody, Joe pays her $517. I hope this cleared up your misconceptions, **grienspace** –at least some places take the custodial parent’s income into account. You say you want fair for everybody. What do you want to be fair? The facts surrounding the biological event of pregnancy? Ain’t gonna happen–as long women carry the babies, women get to decide whether or not to carry the babies. There is no way to make pregnancy 100% equitable. Child support can and should be equitable. In general, once there is a child both parents should be financially responsible for the kid. There are exceptions and those should be treated as what they are–exceptions. To address the OP: If the guy had sex without a condom he’s an idiot. Nobody is forcing him to have unprotected sex and that’s what he’s doing if he has sex without a condom–he’s failing to protect himself as best he can from the possible consequences of his actions. If he gives the girl drugs without her knowledge, he’s scum. It doesn’t matter if she was trying to trick him into getting her pregnant. It doesn’t matter if she lied about being on birth control. I’m gonna let you in on a little secret here–people lie. Both women and men lie. The fact that someone lies to you does not mean all bets are off and now you get to do whatever you want to them. \*Only the parents’ income is taken into account–spouses or other family members’ incomes are not included in determing the child support amount per the child support schedule. \*\*I tried to link but the [website](http://www.courts.wa.gov/forms/) is down. \*\*\*The support schedule allows for deviations from this amount for costs such as extraordinary travel expenses and day care expenses. In addition, this schedule is used to determine the amount of insurance that needs to be provided by the parents, etc. I really don’t want to go into all that if I don’t have to. Also, it doesn’t stop the parents from agreeing to an amount that is different from the amount recommended by the child support schedule if they can get a judge to sign off on the child support order. \*\*\*\*Again, there can be extraordinary expenses like day care that the absent parent may have to pay as well. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-sex-morality-question/280341/68 "2004-12-19T21:43:40Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > According to > > **lno, Ferret Herder, WhyNot, Mangetout, eleanorigby** , they say " tough, the sire should accept any consequence as the result of the choice of the dam". I’m afraid most dopers feel that way. I’d be very interested to find out if any one of these posters would consider themselves as conservatives. I’m expecting not one. I’m not a conservative, but more to the point, how the buggery fuck did you extract that conclusion from my post? Here it is again: > [@me](#): > > yes, probably illegal to administer drugs without consent, perhaps illegal even with consent, if the item was prescribed for someone else (may vary by locality). Yeah, and the whole ‘two wrongs’ thing. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-sex-morality-question/280341/69 "2004-12-19T22:05:03Z")
Well, I inferred that **Mangetout**. Was I wrong ? Do you believe that a father sometimes has moral grounds to avoid financial responsibity for the future of an unwanted fetus ? If you do, I apologize for my mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-sex-morality-question/280341/70 "2004-12-19T23:30:46Z")
Yes, you were wrong to infer that. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-sex-morality-question/280341/71 "2004-12-20T03:19:17Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > Well, I inferred that **Mangetout**. Was I wrong ? Do you believe that a father sometimes has moral grounds to avoid financial responsibity for the future of an unwanted fetus ? If you do, I apologize for my mistake. At the time **Mangetout** posted that answer, that was NOT the question before the board. At that time you had only asked about the ethics of administering a morning-after pill w/o knowledge or consent. The question as formulated up to the point of **Mangetout** ’s original post did NOT contain any information that _necessarily_ called for any evaluation of **this** issue. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-sex-morality-question/280341/72 "2004-12-20T03:22:50Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > At the time **Mangetout** posted that answer, that was NOT the question before the board. At that time you had only asked about the ethics of administering a morning-after pill w/o knowledge or consent. The question as formulated up to the point of **Mangetout** ’s original post did NOT contain any information that _necessarily_ called for any evaluation of **this** issue. And yes, it would be wrong to do the thing **described in the OP** , _REGARDLESS_ of underlying motivations based on your position on paternity rights or just panic at causing a pregnancy. You’d be performing a medical treatment on another person w/o knowledge or consent, which is unethical. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hypothetical-sex-morality-question/280341.md?page=3)