# I Accuse What Exit of Being a Liar **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 22, 2008, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352 "2008-12-22T19:33:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2008, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/261 "2008-12-25T23:09:09Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Any reasonable person would agree with this statement. And yet using your logic, you would claim it is false and misleading because it omits a disclaimer. It is false. No economist would make such a statement, since a single transaction is meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2008, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/262 "2008-12-25T23:10:16Z")
> [@Anduril](#): > > I really don’t have to. You’ve damaged yourself quite nicely without my help. Lol. Keep up with the excuses. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/263 "2008-12-26T00:20:43Z")
Weasel. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/264 "2008-12-26T00:56:20Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > It is false. No economist would make such a statement, since a single transaction is meaningless. Do you accept Professor John Hoag of Bowling Green State University as a reputable economist? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/265 "2008-12-26T00:58:27Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Do you accept Professor John Hoag of Bowling Green State University as a reputable economist? I have no idea who that is. As I don’t see a link in your post, I’m going to have to say no. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/266 "2008-12-26T01:00:16Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Do you accept Professor John Hoag of Bowling Green State University as a reputable economist? You mean the guy from [The Unpleasant Profession of Jonathan Hoag](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unpleasant_Profession_of_Jonathan_Hoag)? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/267 "2008-12-26T01:12:40Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > I have no idea who that is. Lol. I’ll give you a [step in the right direction](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=john+hoag+bgsu&aq=f&oq=) Awww, what the heck. Here’s a link: [http://www.cba.bgsu.edu/econ/bios/hoag.html](http://www.cba.bgsu.edu/econ/bios/hoag.html) Do you accept this guy as a reputable economist? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/268 "2008-12-26T01:12:40Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > I have no idea who that is. As I don’t see a link in your post, I’m going to have to say no. Everybody knows John Hoag. Why, he’s a regular at my local tavern. He walks in and says “Evenin’ everybody” and they all say “JOHN!” and the bartender sometimes asks “How’s the economy, John?” and Hoag says “Beer is an externality. I’m here to change that,” and we all have a good laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/269 "2008-12-26T01:16:55Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Do you accept this guy as a reputable economist? Ok, sure. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/270 "2008-12-26T01:29:40Z")
**Q.E.D.** , you realize you’re now talking about SUV’s instead of Al Gore’s house, right? Whatever else you might say, **brazil84** is supernaturally good at deflecting a lost argument. That, and beginning posts with “lol”. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/271 "2008-12-26T01:29:58Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > Ok, sure. Here’s a quote from a book he apparently co-authored (Introductory Economics) > [@](#): > > If more buyers are added, the market demand curve will shift to the right, because **each additional buyer** adds to the total quantity demanded in the market at each price (my bolding) Granted, he starts by discussing a small, simple economic model but I could not find any indication that this statement is limited in any way. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/272 "2008-12-26T01:36:12Z")
Sorry, weasel, but a quote from an unlinked source for which I have no context and which may, or may not, be accurate, is not acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/273 "2008-12-26T01:45:02Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > Sorry, weasel, but a quote from an unlinked source for which I have no context and which may, or may not, be accurate, is not acceptable. Lol. Whatever. Anyway, if you know anything about basic economic theory, you know that the excerpt I quoted is correct. Besides, in the context of the debate over Al Gore, my comment was right on the money and your objection makes no sense at all. Because many environmentalists regularly urge people to do stuff which – at an individual level – will have an infinitesimal effect. For example, I recall reading somewhere that Al Gore urges individuals to reduce their individual energy consumption. If the effect of an individual changing his or her habits is so small, one could ask: what’s the point? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/274 "2008-12-26T01:48:33Z")
Are you retarded or something? They aren’t asking one, single individual to make a change, they’re asking _groups_ of individuals to make changes. Any idiot knows this. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/275 "2008-12-26T01:52:29Z")
Hi all, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. Now just to clarify: In using misquote where I did I clearly do not meet the textbook definition, but it should have been obvious and appears to be obvious that I said that you said I said something I did not and in that context I believe misquote was a properly used. Simply leaving out the quote marks does not mean you did not misrepresent me as saying something I did not. **Punintentional** , if you read the links I provided I think you will see where Brazil lied or mischaracterize what I said. Now obviously it was not I that cared about this as I had completely forgotten about this minor part of the exchange in that thread from 14 months ago, but Brazil is such and odd bird that he decided to bring this all up 14 months later. \*\*He loves picking at little details to change subjects. That is why I claim he is a dishonest debater. \*\* Goodnight all and have fun. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/276 "2008-12-26T01:57:36Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > Are you retarded or something? They aren’t asking one, single individual to make a change, they’re asking _groups_ of individuals to make changes. Sure of course. But many of the entreaties call for decisions at an individual (or family) level. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/277 "2008-12-26T01:59:22Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > Are you retarded or something? They aren’t asking one, single individual to make a change, they’re asking _groups_ of individuals to make changes. Any idiot knows this. Lol. This is the part where he grabs one tiny part of the post to nitpick. Lol. ETA: On preview, I see I’m noticing a pattern… ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/278 "2008-12-26T02:05:26Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Hi all, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. > Now just to clarify: In using misquote where I did I clearly do not meet the textbook definition, but it should have been obvious and appears to be obvious that I said that you said I said something I did not and in that context I believe misquote was a properly used. Simply leaving out the quote marks does not mean you did not misrepresent me as saying something I did not. :shrug: And it was obvious that I was responding to what you actually said, as opposed to my paraphrase of what you said. > [@](#): > > but Brazil is such and odd bird that he decided to bring this all up 14 months later :shrug: You were the first one to link to the thread 14 months later. I had basically forgotten about it until then. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/279 "2008-12-26T02:08:37Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > nitpick. Seems to me that **QED** is the one who is nitpicking. He is (apparently) claiming that the following statement is spreading misinformation because it does not contain a disclaimer like “generally speaking” > [@](#): > > If John Q. Public buys an SUV instead of a Mini, he is increasing demand for SUV’s by a small amount. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2008, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/280 "2008-12-26T02:08:37Z")
You shouldn’t :shrug: while you lol. That’s how people pull a muscle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352.md?page=15)