# I Accuse What Exit of Being a Liar **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 22, 2008, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352 "2008-12-22T19:33:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/141 "2008-12-23T22:48:42Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Please, please go get a life. Seriously. :eek: Oh, don’t ever say that to a Doper! Where would the Dope be if we all followed **that** advice?! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/142 "2008-12-23T22:50:59Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Wow, 10+ posts already and nobody has shown my supposed misquote of **What Exit**. Keep up the good work, folks. Ah. Well, see [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=459127) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/143 "2008-12-23T22:57:12Z")
BrainGlutton. Total Global Domination. Ashur, Nineveh, Babylon, Persepolis, Ctesiphon, Seleucia, Baghdad, Istanbul, or Mosul, depending on period and definition of “capital.” ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/144 "2008-12-23T23:12:02Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :eek: Oh, don’t ever say that to a Doper! Where would the Dope be if we all followed **that** advice?! Well, one hopes that not all of the Dopers would follow this advice. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crowbar_of_Irony_3)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/145 "2008-12-23T23:14:42Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Wow, 10+ posts already and nobody has shown my supposed misquote of **What Exit**. Keep up the good work, folks. Coloured me puzzle. Am I supposed to figure it out or something? Is there a prize? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/146 "2008-12-23T23:19:55Z")
> [@CrazyChop](#): > > Coloured me puzzle. Am I supposed to figure it out or something? Is there a prize? Well, if you will enjoy watching me eat humble pie, then yes – there’s your prize for finding the supposed misquote. Anyway, 100+ posts now and as expected, nobody’s produced this supposed misquote. Just a paraphrase which omitted a qualifier, but I had responded to the qualifier anyway. Keep up the good work, folks. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/147 "2008-12-23T23:25:27Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Well, if you will enjoy watching me eat humble pie, then yes – there’s your prize for finding the supposed misquote. > > Anyway, 100+ posts now and as expected, nobody’s produced this supposed misquote. Just a paraphrase which omitted a qualifier, but I had responded to the qualifier anyway. > > Keep up the good work, folks. You have pr oven once again you are a silly ass. I hope you weren’t expecting anymore from this thread. As to the misquote word being used, you are just being obtuse. You exaggerated my prior statement to try an make a point and I called you on it and more importantly this all happened 14 months ago. While it was not technically a misquote as Daniel pointed out, it was either a lie or at least a bending of the truth. That is your debating style anyway. Twisting and churning and talking points. You play a game and get upset when others don’t play by your rules and apparently you cannot see that it just makes you look petty and childish. Does that make any sense to you at all? Simple question by the way, just say Yes or No. ---
**Author:** ![Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crowbar_of_Irony_3)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/148 "2008-12-23T23:26:53Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > That is your debating style anyway. Twisting and churning and talking points. You play a game and get upset when others don’t play by your rules and apparently you cannot see that it just makes you look petty and childish. I wish I know this earlier. He likes to redefine terms when called out on it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/149 "2008-12-23T23:29:25Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :eek: Oh, don’t ever say that to a Doper! Where would the Dope be if we all followed **that** advice?! OK, got one, now what? ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/150 "2008-12-23T23:33:05Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Anyway, 100+ posts now and as expected, nobody’s produced this supposed misquote. Anyway, 100+ posts now and (as expected) you’re so stupid you haven’t noticed nobody supports you. Or likes you. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/151 "2008-12-23T23:36:31Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > You have pr oven once again you are a silly ass. I hope you weren’t expecting anymore from this thread. > > As to the misquote word being used, you are just being obtuse. You exaggerated my prior statement to try an make a point and I called you on it and more importantly this all happened 14 months ago. While it was not technically a misquote as Daniel pointed out, it was either a lie or at least a bending of the truth. That’s nonsense, since as noted above, if had been inventing some strawman, I would not have responded to the qualifier, which I clearly did in Post 233. You have been caught and now you are trying to weasel and nitpick your way out of it by first claiming that a non-quote is actually a quote, and now claiming that there was someting nefarious about my paraphrase. Which there clearly wasn’t. But I’m glad you finally admit that I did not misquote you. Here’s another challenge: You claimed in that thread (in post 222) that I had promoted misinformation. Please QUOTE this supposed misinformation. As noted above, if somebody shows me some fact I have gotten wrong, I will thank them for correcting me, just as I have done elsewhere. > [@](#): > > Does that make any sense to you at all? Of course. I believe you are essentially wrong, but I understand the accusation you are making. Now please, QUOTE my supposed misinformation in the Al Gore thread. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/152 "2008-12-23T23:39:21Z")
Nonsense aside, why do you capitalize the word QUOTE every time you write it? Is it an emphasis thing? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/153 "2008-12-23T23:40:31Z")
Give him a break, he’s typing with STAINLESS STEEL HOOKS. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/154 "2008-12-23T23:40:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > OK, got one, now what? **EXACTLY!** I recall a Gahan Wilson cartoon set in some kind of bizarro world where everybody is plodding around, wearing no clothes but a kilt and shoes and some kind of plunger-cup cap with a stick projecting from the crown, dangling a carrot on a string right in front of the wearer’s eyes. One of them has actually reached out and grabbed his carrot and is eating it. Another says, "So, what are you going to do **now?!"** ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/155 "2008-12-23T23:52:43Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > You claimed in that thread (in post 222) that I had promoted misinformation. Please QUOTE this supposed misinformation. :rolleyes:😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2008, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/156 "2008-12-24T01:23:34Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > :rolleyes:😃 :mad:🆒 Or even :(:eek:. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2008, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/157 "2008-12-24T02:05:27Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > :mad:🆒 > > Or even :(:eek:. :);)? :p:D? :dubious::smack:? ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2008, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/158 "2008-12-24T05:35:04Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > OK, got one, now what? Sell it on eBay? ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2008, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/159 "2008-12-24T14:47:26Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Here’s another challenge: > > You claimed in that thread (in post 222) that I had promoted misinformation. Please QUOTE this supposed misinformation. > > As noted above, if somebody shows me some fact I have gotten wrong, I will thank them for correcting me, just as I have done elsewhere. I don’t think anyone needs to quote anything. Your’re **Brazil84** , the “anti-Global-Warming-guy.” Posting misinformation is what you _do._ The AGW case has been made, scientifically; it’s over. Fighting it can only be done with actual science – new science – science that has not (to date) been conducted. Merely forwarding the already-discredited misinformation deliberately produced by corporations with a financial interest in confusing the issue and slowing down the response to AGW is, _by definition_, posting misinformation. Even posting “Wait a minute, I am an actual climate scientist and here are my results refuting AGW!” won’t work, here, because the Straight Dope (or any message board) is not where a reputable, peer-reviewed climate study would be published. In short, nothing anyone can post on a message board will effectively refute AGW; it’s a fool’s errand. Simply put, you are arguing the equivalent of a flat earth theory. I’ve always thought **What Exit** ’s characterization of you as “astroturfing” was really on the mark – it seems like a paid campaign. You manage to post here, so you couldn’t simply be stupid. But now I admit I am reconsidering my position. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2008, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352/160 "2008-12-24T15:08:04Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > I don’t think anyone needs to quote anything. Your’re **Brazil84** , the “anti-Global-Warming-guy.” Posting misinformation is what you _do._ > > The AGW case has been made, scientifically; it’s over. It depends on exactly what you mean by “AGW.” If you mean that mankind’s CO2 emissions have the potential to cause surface warming, then you are probably right. If by “AGW,” you mean that CO2 emissions will cause temperatures to rise, which will cause water vapor levels to increase, which will cause temperatures to rise further, and so on, and so on, resulting in a parade of horrors, then no, it’s not over scientifically. This is an absolutely critical distinction. > [@](#): > > Simply put, you are arguing the equivalent of a flat earth theory. No, I’m arguing against a compound hypothesis. If someone were to claim “The Earth is round AND Santa Claus lives at the North Pole,” I would tell them that their claim is wrong. But doing so is not the equivalent of arguing for a flat earth. > [@](#): > > I’ve always thought **What Exit** ’s characterization of you as “astroturfing” was really on the mark – it seems like a paid campaign. You manage to post here, so you couldn’t simply be stupid. A third possibility is that you don’t fully understand my position or the issues involved. But I’ll tell you that I’m not paid to advocate against CAGW. I’ve always been fascinated by hoaxes and moral panics, I’ve studied the issues carefully, and I’m satisfied that CAGW falls into this category. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-accuse-what-exit-of-being-a-liar/478352.md?page=9)