# I admire the tenacity of republicans **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614 "2014-07-20T18:13:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/641 "2014-07-24T17:58:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Not Axelrod, Plouffe, and Jarrett. Why the hell not? Even if they don’t really like her personally, they’d end their reputations in the party forever if they didn’t support the Democratic nominee. > [@](#): > > Lower level people probably, unless they jump on board a challengers’ bandwagon. I still say Clinton can lose in the primaries if someone charismatic runs to her left. She’s just not equipped to deal with those types of candidates. Oh she can lose in the primaries, but I’m not talking about the primaries. Obama won’t play much of a part in the primaries, except probably saying nice things about all the candidates. He won’t endorse until there’s a nominee, and then he’ll throw his full weight, including his magnificent campaign apparatus, behind the nominee. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/642 "2014-07-24T17:59:03Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The only plausible one would be Warren, and she’s been as adamant about it as anyone could be. > > But she’s still more real than your Republican alternative. O’Malley may not be well known, but he’s certainly planning to run to the left of Clinton and seems nearly certain to get in. I’m guessing it won’t matter because Democrats embrace glitz over substance these days. So maybe that does leave Warren, a first term Senator, as a more credible challenger to Clinton than a popular and successful governor. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/643 "2014-07-24T17:59:50Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’m probably older than you are. Then you have no excuse. > [@](#): > > I’m glad you admit that insulting your domestic opponents will tend to make them not want to work with you. Now maybe you’ll understand why Republicans don’t like to work with Obama. You mean the Muslim Kenyan socialist gun-grabbing commie n\*\*\*\*r? \*That \*Obama? :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Insert Arab peacekeeping force and you basically sell out the Shiites and Kurds. That’s what \*we \*did, fool. > [@](#): > > Not an answer. Not deserving of one, kid. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/644 "2014-07-24T18:01:38Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > So the argument is that SHOP Exchange reporting under subsection (F) (“Information necessary to determine whether a taxpayer has received excess advance payments”) doesn’t make sense? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/645 "2014-07-24T18:02:15Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Why the hell not? Even if they don’t really like her personally, they’d end their reputations in the party forever if they didn’t support the Democratic nominee. First, the Democratic nominee isn’t decided yet. Second, of course they’ll support her, but campaign heads rarely do two campaigns for two seperate Presidential candidates. Carville and Begala didn’t work for Gore or Kerry and Rove didn’t work for McCain or Romney. If Axelrod and Plouffe go to work for Clinton that would be rather surprising. > [@](#): > > Oh she can lose in the primaries, but I’m not talking about the primaries. Obama won’t play much of a part in the primaries, except probably saying nice things about all the candidates. He won’t endorse until there’s a nominee, and then he’ll throw his full weight, including his magnificent campaign apparatus, behind the nominee. I think you’re wrong about all that. I think that Obama will be backing Clinton from the start(although he won’t officially endorse). As for his magnificent campaign apparatus, it’s been completely ineffective when not focused on the job of making him President. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/646 "2014-07-24T18:03:54Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You mean the Muslim Kenyan socialist gun-grabbing commie n\*\*\*\*r? \*That \*Obama? :rolleyes: Which Congressmen said that? It’s okay for Obama to sling insults at his Republican colleagues because some Republican somewhere wrote something bad about him? Wow, that’s some thin skin. THe people Obama actually has to talk to have been nothing but civilized to him. He has not returned their civility. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/647 "2014-07-24T18:06:18Z")
(insert another alternate universe comment here, even if pointless) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/648 "2014-07-24T18:09:26Z")
I think it’s you in the alternate universe, and it’s awfully rich for you to accuse me of needing to change the channel,when I’m posting on a majority liberal board. Do you go to any majority conservative boards? Are you exposed to conservative points of view other than what little you get here? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/649 "2014-07-24T18:10:44Z")
in that case, I meant the lawless dictator tyrant Obama who needs to be impeached or at least sued (except when he’s a weak mom-jeans-wearing wuss who won’t fucking bomb _anybody_), not the Hannity-listener one. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/650 "2014-07-24T18:11:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Are you exposed to conservative points of view other than what little you get here? If you’re the best of the breed, there’s no need. If you aren’t, why not? What “conservative point of view” goes unrepresented here? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/651 "2014-07-24T18:13:04Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think it’s you in the alternate universe Says the skewed polls guy :rolleyes: The internet has a long memory dude. Maybe re-read that pit thread about how totally and completely and consistently wrong you are. It must not have taken the first time, I think you need a refresher. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/652 "2014-07-24T18:14:17Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes. So you concede that small businesses pay taxes, and get tax credits for participation in the SHOP exchange, but contend that they cannot provide “\*nformation necessary to determine whether a taxpayer has received excess advance payments”? Why not? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/653 "2014-07-24T18:14:41Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If Axelrod and Plouffe go to work for Clinton that would be rather surprising. I doubt they’ll work for anyone during the primaries. During the general election, they’ll probably be advisors, but not campaign-runners. I’m sure they’ve had enough of the election-grind. > [@](#): > > I think you’re wrong about all that. I think that Obama will be backing Clinton from the start(although he won’t officially endorse). Without an official endorsement, or some other sort of material assistance, it won’t matter much who he backs in the primaries. > [@](#): > > As for his magnificent campaign apparatus, it’s been completely ineffective when not focused on the job of making him President. LOL. You mean it’s only been effective at the _only purpose it has_? You can’t be serious. It’s been effective at getting Democrats elected President – and there’s no reason it wouldn’t be, at the very least, a significant benefit to whomever the Democratic nominee turns out to be. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/654 "2014-07-24T18:14:54Z")
Irrelevant nonsense, Airbeck. I was wrong about that. I might be wrong about 2016 being close. I’m not wrong about the PResident being deeply unpopular. I’ve proven it. Not that anyone not in the liberal bubble could have missed it, but I guess some of the denizens here don’t get out much. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/655 "2014-07-24T18:16:14Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > LOL. You mean it’s only been effective at the _only purpose it has_? You can’t be serious. It’s been effective at getting Democrats elected President – and there’s no reason it wouldn’t be, at the very least, a significant benefit to whomever the Democratic nominee turns out to be. It’s effective at marketing a single product: Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton is a different product. Congressional Democrats are a different product. Issue advocacy is a different product. Organizing for America has been a massive failure so far. I doubt it will suddenly become a boon to Hillary Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/656 "2014-07-24T18:16:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think it’s you in the alternate universe, and it’s awfully rich for you to accuse me of needing to change the channel,when I’m posting on a majority liberal board. Not reading or thinking or grasping or fighting _your own_ ignorance (the real point of the slogan), no, you’re just posting, and posting only partisan glurge at that. You might as well be spamming our inboxes for all the good you’re doing anybody, including yourself. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/657 "2014-07-24T18:17:46Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It’s effective at marketing a single product: Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton is a different product. Congressional Democrats are a different product. Issue advocacy is a different product. > > Organizing for America has been a massive failure so far. I doubt it will suddenly become a boon to Hillary Clinton. This is just silly. I’m sure there would be differences, but Obama’s email and phone lists _alone_ would be hugely beneficial to any Democratic presidential hopeful. The rest of the apparatus could similarly work for any candidate, with tweaks. It’s not reasonable to say that Obama’s campaign apparatus would not be helpful to Hillary Clinton (or any other Democratic nominee). ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/658 "2014-07-24T18:20:40Z")
Helpful, yes. Not helpful enough though. And all those phone lists? A lot of one-time voters who voted for Obama because they thought he was different. Those voters aren’t going to be amenable to doing anything for Clinton. They weren’t too useful to Obama in 2012, when 2 million young voters that came out in 2008 just stayed home. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/659 "2014-07-24T18:25:16Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Irrelevant nonsense, Airbeck. I was wrong about that. I might be wrong about 2016 being close. I’m not wrong about the PResident being deeply unpopular. I’ve proven it. Not that anyone not in the liberal bubble could have missed it, but I guess some of the denizens here don’t get out much. Irrelevant? When you were just accusing others of being out of touch with reality? Come on you can do better than this. If you wave your hand any faster you’ll probably sprain your wrist or something, so be careful. It also doesn’t help your credibility too much to be so oblivious to your own history. Also, you are on this board posting constantly, so its hilarious for you to suggest that others ‘don’t get out much’. You are really unable to view things outside of your partisan perspective aren’t you? I think a break and a little self-reflection would do you a world of good. Instead you just keep on doubling down on the wrongness and delusion. Kinda sad really. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614/660 "2014-07-24T18:28:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Helpful, yes. Not helpful enough though. I’ll mark this one down as “ **adaher** predicts the Democrats will lose in 2016”. I don’t know why you’re so confident, this early, but I’m somewhat encouraged by the fact that you are. > [@](#): > > And all those phone lists? A lot of one-time voters who voted for Obama because they thought he was different. Those voters aren’t going to be amenable to doing anything for Clinton. They weren’t too useful to Obama in 2012, when 2 million young voters that came out in 2008 just stayed home. This is just silly, and way-too-early, to say. As much as I’m enjoying it, just stop making such definitive predictions about 2016. It’s just silly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-admire-the-tenacity-of-republicans/693614.md?page=34)