# I already didn't like Elizabeth Dole. . . . **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 29, 2008, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125 "2008-10-29T18:23:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/61 "2008-11-01T01:28:42Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Don’t get your hopes up. We’re talking about North Carolina. Hey! You can’t talk about our state like that… Only \*we[\i] can talk about our state like that. Don’t get your hopes up. We’re talking about North Carolina. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/62 "2008-11-01T01:48:45Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Hey! You can’t talk about our state like that… > > Only \*we[\i] can talk about our state like that. > > Don’t get your hopes up. We’re talking about North Carolina. Come on, guys, where’s your audacity of hope? Things are looking kinda purplish around here. At least you’re not from just south of the border. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/63 "2008-11-01T03:16:42Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Hey! You can’t talk about our state like that… > > Only \*we[\i] can talk about our state like that. > > Don’t get your hopes up. We’re talking about North Carolina. Forget it Jake. It’s Chinatown. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/64 "2008-11-03T15:05:28Z")
From viewing the Dole ad [here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lf2vDk-4Ag), and listening to Hagan’s voice in her “Sad” ad [here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohqBlkb4rD4&feature=related), it sure sounds to me like they were trying to make people believe that voice at the end was Hagan saying “There is no God.” Apparently that’s been the view of [others](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM-7Itc3kTo&feature=related) as well (starting at about 1m34s in that video). According to [this article](http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1855841,00.html) in **Time** , Hagan has indeed filed a defamation suit against Dole for the ad. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/65 "2008-11-03T19:10:19Z")
That is a dirty and desperate ad. Dole should be ashamed and she should lose. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/66 "2008-11-03T20:14:12Z")
Apparently Hagan has already created a [response ad](http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2008/10/31/hagan-strikes-back/?iid=sphere-inline-bottom). She, too, felt that the voice declaring “There is no God” at the end of Dole’s ad was a deliberate imitation of her. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/67 "2008-11-04T00:37:46Z")
> [@chorpler](#): > > Apparently Hagan has already created a [response ad](http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2008/10/31/hagan-strikes-back/?iid=sphere-inline-bottom). She, too, felt that the voice declaring “There is no God” at the end of Dole’s ad was a deliberate imitation of her. The “bearing false witness” part was good. I hope it is not too late. Dole is a despicable cunt. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/68 "2008-11-04T13:03:23Z")
Dole has been running a [followup ad](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksWwMd9_CJc), which starts off saying that Kay Hagan’s faith is "not in question: and then proceeds to state that she attended a fundraiser “in her honor” that was held by the Godless Americans. This despite the fact that it has already been widely publicized that the fundraiser was not “held by the Godless Americans” but was merely held at the house of someone who was an advisor to that group. [This story](http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/3862968/) also says that > [@](#): > > The event was not billed as a Godless Americans event, and other hosts included an ambassador and U.S. Sen. John Kerry. I had voted prior to these ads being aired, but not for Dole. I’m wondering how many people who voted early for her are now wishing they could change their vote. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/69 "2008-11-05T01:52:28Z")
Well, according to [Reuters](http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4A40P120081105), Hagan ousted Dole. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/70 "2008-11-05T02:15:03Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Well, according to [Reuters](http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4A40P120081105), Hagan ousted Dole. YESSS!!! Does Atheist / Agnostic / Non Evangelical Christian happy dance. (Not to be confused with Sarah Palin’s fancy pagent walks. :D) ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/71 "2008-11-05T02:16:38Z")
Cue Nelson Muntz! ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/72 "2008-11-05T02:44:53Z")
Yep- it’s official. The VO tactic at the end was slimey. I thought the basic theme of the ad WOULD HAVE been fair IF Hagen was indeed at a Godless Americans function. But since she wasn’t… I like Liddy Dole & Bob & I wish Liddy had been a better Senator over the past six years but she’s been a non-entity & deserved to lose because of that alone. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/73 "2008-11-05T02:57:38Z")
First time in 50 years ,no Bush or Dole in office. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/74 "2008-11-05T13:51:27Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Hey! You can’t talk about our state like that… > > Only _we_ can talk about our state like that. > > Don’t get your hopes up. We’re talking about North Carolina. Look Ma! Correct code! I have never been so happy to be wrong. Wow, a slimy personal attack ad based on half truths stretched to the point of being outright lies didn’t work in my home state. I’m floored. ---
**Author:** ![Martiju](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@Martiju](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martiju)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125/75 "2008-11-05T14:48:37Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Yep- it’s official. > > The VO tactic at the end was slimey. I thought the basic theme of the ad WOULD HAVE been fair IF Hagen was indeed at a Godless Americans function. But since she wasn’t… It’s fair to use non-Christian as an insult?! Next you’ll be saying that using Muslim is perjorative too… And yes, it’s even worse when it’s untrue. That said, I stayed up until 4am this morning to watch the results come in, and am delighted that the party that chose smear and slander tactics for the third election running finally seem to have been found out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-already-didnt-like-elizabeth-dole/470125.md?page=3)