# I always knew Cheney was quick to temper after that, "Go fuck yourself,"... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2006, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164 "2006-02-12T21:45:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/301 "2006-02-14T19:24:28Z")
Cheney had two drunk driving convictions back in the day, so yes, alcohol incidents are in his past. I had intended to jump into this thread today to point out all the fucking spin that had been done about the victim being “peppered with birdshot”, yet being in ICU for several days. My former BIL was in a “hunting accident” where the victim wasn’t even A. a member of his hunting party, or B. wearing balze orange. He got convicted of a felony and spent a year in the County Jail. jus’ sayin’ ya know. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/302 "2006-02-14T19:26:13Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > If you look at my post closely, you’ll notice that I wasn’t comparing the incidents so much as a political reaction to them. > > Given the content in this thread, and the fact that the nobody ever bothered Adlai Stevenson about the Ruth Merwin accident (indeed, the only bother he got as an adult was from his own conscience), I think it is an interesting observation to make. Because someone died. People don’t joke about Laura Bush killing somebody with a car either - she doesn’t get grief about that. On the other hand, lots of people think Ted Kennedy’s questionable behavior while that woman died at Chappaquiddick (sp?) is hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![alaricthegoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/303 "2006-02-14T19:29:34Z")
you certainly are a pious bunch. At least I know which side I’m on. The friend of my enemy is my enemy, as the saying goes… Fuck whittington , fuck cheney, and fuck you slacker & co. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/304 "2006-02-14T19:30:32Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Given the content in this thread, and the fact that the **nobody ever** \*\* bothered Adlai Stevenson\*\* about the Ruth Merwin accident (indeed, the only bother he got as an adult was from his own conscience), I think it is an interesting observation to make. (Bolding mine) As the proof of a negative is a dificult task, I will not ask you to support this statement; I will only note that you have no way in hell of knowing it to be true. Nobody? Ever? As to the appropriateness of the comparison, if you would kindly demonstrate that, generally speaking, one’s actions as a child share equal weight with one’s actions as an adult, and specifically as an adult who is a “heartbeat away from the presidency”, I would be obliged. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/305 "2006-02-14T19:31:13Z")
I think this thread is hilarious. A hunting accident that wouldn’t even make the A section of a local newspaper in Texas if not for the VP, and you now have cover ups and Karl Rove thrown in the mix. Desperately grasping for some illegality, anything. How dare Cheney torture people on one hand and have a dude ranch hunt on the other. Oh the humanity. Halliburton probably owns the shotgun shell manufacturing company, or maybe the bandage company. Come on people, nobody has thought of that yet? Methinks some people need to get a grip. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/306 "2006-02-14T19:34:20Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > (Bolding mine) > > As the proof of a negative is a dificult task, I will not ask you to support this statement; I will only note that you have no way in hell of knowing it to be true. Nobody? Ever? > As to the appropriateness of the comparison, if you would kindly demonstrate that, generally speaking, one’s actions as a child share equal weight with one’s actions as an adult, and specifically as an adult who is a “heartbeat away from the presidency”, I would be obliged. I see the Stevenson incident referred to mostly these days as a stark difference in attitudes of the public - he was playing w/a gun and a friend died, tragically. Sympathy abounded for him as well as the victims parents. It’s much more likely these days that even where there are “accidents” and some one dies, that the person behaving in a negligent manner is charged w/a crime. Drivers falling asleep at the wheel, stepping on the accelerator vs. the brake etc. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/307 "2006-02-14T19:37:50Z")
**Maureen** , did you not see the two posts above mine, both calling **again** for a cite as to who was wishing ill on Whittington? Yes, that’s why there was a “Right here…” before he was quoted. Understand now? If your second comment too was directed at me then you’ve lost me, that being the one where you tell him to STFU and then presume to correct someone else for caring what he says. My suggestion would be that you refrain from feeding him anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/308 "2006-02-14T19:38:43Z")
> [@wring](#): > > I see the Stevenson incident referred to mostly these days as a stark difference in attitudes of the public - he was playing w/a gun and a friend died, tragically. Sympathy abounded for him as well as the victims parents. It’s much more likely these days that even where there are “accidents” and some one dies, that the person behaving in a negligent manner is charged w/a crime. Drivers falling asleep at the wheel, stepping on the accelerator vs. the brake etc. He was a child. He was a minor. It was an accident. A responsible adult left a gun unprotected. Do these kinds of things result in criminal charges to the child nowadays? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/309 "2006-02-14T19:40:34Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > He was a child. He was a minor. It was an accident. A responsible adult left a gun unprotected. Do these kinds of things result in criminal charges to the child nowadays? yes. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/310 "2006-02-14T19:42:28Z")
> [@wring](#): > > yes. I gotta say it. Show me. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/311 "2006-02-14T19:46:36Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > Who gives a fuck? And fuck you besides. Unless you can show alcohol was a factor in _this_ incident, your comments are just as stupid and pointless as yourownself. Welll, fuckity-damn! Either Cheney was after Al-Quaila or he wasn’t. I personally ascribe to the theory that Cheney is innocent, that there was a second shooter behind the grassy knoll. > [@](#): > > And goddamn, people. There seems a fair number of bloodthirsty fucks in this thread. You hypocritical assholes whine about compassionless conservatives, but sure don’t seem to mind acting the same way yourselves. Now, don’t go confoozling us with the Vice President. WE didn’t shoot anyone … WE’RE not the Vice President for Torture. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/312 "2006-02-14T19:47:26Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Given the content in this thread, and the fact that the nobody ever bothered Adlai Stevenson about the Ruth Merwin accident Mind telling us how you know about it at all, then? ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/313 "2006-02-14T19:49:51Z")
> [@alaricthegoth](#): > > you certainly are a pious bunch. At least I know which side I’m on. > > The friend of my enemy is my enemy, as the saying goes… > > Fuck whittington , fuck cheney, and fuck you slacker & co. I have a Co.! :w00h00: Let me give you some free advice, you feckless little poo dollop you. I think the Bush/Cheney regime has done more harm to this country than most any other presidency before it, and likely any after. I’d like nothing more than for Gee Dubya to wander off to a farm in Montana to catch up on his goat book reading and leave governing to people who know what they’re doing, and have a sense of responsibility to the office of the president and to this great country. But do I wish him harm? Of course not. He’s a human being, and he has people he cares about and people who care about him. I wouldn’t wish him anything more serious than a hangnail. Here’s why that is important. People on this board can disagree with my about what Bush has done and is doing to the country, but at the end of the day, we can have civil discussions about it because regardless of politics, there’s more to life that brings us together as human beings than tears us apart. I want to live in a country where me, you, Cheney, and everyone else is as happy and successfull as possible. When you spout the bullshit you’ve shat all over this thread, you shut down any hope of a civil discussion. You don’t want to live in the same country I’m talking about. You want to live in one where you’re happy and Cheney is dead. It’s fucking despicable. Why don’t you do us all a favor and just make an OP entitled “i wish , the following people were dead…” so you can get the banning you’ve somehow eluded all this time. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/314 "2006-02-14T20:01:57Z")
> [@wring](#): > > yes. I was researching this before **Contrap’s** post back, was going to come in and say "change this to ‘IMHO’ " instead. The specific case I had in mind has enough questionable crap in it that it’s not as clear as I would want it to be. certainly the parents of the children have been prosecuted under those circumstances. wait - here ] [child and father both charged in accidental shooting](http://rdu.news14.com/content/headlines/?ArID=79626&SecID=2) 8 year old child “knowingly brought firearm to daycare” authorities alledgedly charged the kid so he could be “helped”. I work in human services. It seems to me that charges would be unnecessary in order to provide ‘help’ to the kid, it would be evident from the charges against daddy that the child’s environment was dangerous, needing intervention. SO, we’re back to “yes” a child has been charged in an accidental shooting. I would assume that the quibble of “but not charged w/the actual shooting” won’t come out. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/315 "2006-02-14T20:04:05Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Mind telling us how you know about it at all, then? It comes up in standard biographies of the man, as one would expect. Many people who knew him believe his activism stemmed from the guilt that he suffered. [His papers](http://infoshare1.princeton.edu/libraries/firestone/rbsc/finding_aids/stevenson.html#series17d) include numerous references to the incident. He never sought to cover it up. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/316 "2006-02-14T20:09:05Z")
[here’s another one](http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=local&id=3774177) > [@](#): > > The girl was shot inside a house on Nevada in east Toledo. Police tell 13abc they have charged a 14-year-old boy in the shooting, but they’re calling the shooting accidental. The boy, however, has been charged with felonious assault. They say he was playing with a gun when it went off, striking the 11-year-old girl. Enough? ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/317 "2006-02-14T20:20:37Z")
With the recent update on Mr. Whittington’s health, I should like to retract my earlier comments. One question, and perhaps this is better suited to GD: Under current law, could Mr. Cheney face possible Manslaughter charges should Mr. Whittington die? ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/318 "2006-02-14T20:26:31Z")
> [@Maus Magill](#): > > Under current law, could Mr. Cheney face possible Manslaughter charges should Mr. Whittington die? It’s been a few years since college (Criminal Justice major), but I think remember manslaughter is doing something reckless that you should have known could cause someone’s death. I guess technically about any hunting accident could loosely qualify, but I think a determination would have to be made that Cheney acted in a reckless fashion. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/319 "2006-02-14T20:38:53Z")
> [@Slacker](#): > > It’s been a few years since college (Criminal Justice major), but I think remember manslaughter is doing something reckless that you should have known could cause someone’s death. I guess technically about any hunting accident could loosely qualify, but I think a determination would have to be made that Cheney acted in a reckless fashion. I would wonder why/how a child would be considered [ **more** culpable for an accident w/a gun than an adult w/presumably more experience. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/320 "2006-02-14T20:59:53Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > **Maureen** , did you not see the two posts above mine, both calling **again** for a cite as to who was wishing ill on Whittington? Yes, that’s why there was a “Right here…” before he was quoted. Understand now? Yes, I understand. And the post prior to that was “well, obviously everyone feels this way, someone even said…” I don’t understand why one fringe opinion is considered representative of the whole. No hive mind here, sorry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164.md?page=17)