# I always knew Cheney was quick to temper after that, "Go fuck yourself,"... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2006, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164 "2006-02-12T21:45:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/401 "2006-02-16T06:16:09Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > I heard a doctor on _Hardball_ on February 15 say that these pellets would not move through the blood stream into the heart. If the birdshot is on or in his heart, then it got there by going through his vest, jacket, shirt and skin. I heard that broadcast too. The first thing that came to my mind was this: [anecdotal]The father of my ex-brother in law and a friend argued about whose shotgun “shot the hardest.” They were dressed in heavy winter jackets. So one of them, I don’t know which, went down the road about 60 yards, pulled up the jacket collar and ducked his head while the other one shot him with each of the 12 gauge shotguns. As I understood it, the shot didn’t penetrate the jackets.[/anecdote] As I recall one of them had a Damascus, twist steel-barrel gun while the other had a gun with a solid tube barrel. That was the reason for the argument because the twist steel barrel guns couldn’t use standard 12 gauge shells because of possible damage. My WAG would be that with a 28 gauge and 7½ shot you need to be pretty close to get pentration of the clothing, skin, etc., etc. As the news was reported, it was a chilly day and they were wearing jackets. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/402 "2006-02-16T08:20:54Z")
Does anyone else suspect that the reason for the delay before Cheney spoke with the press was so that his staff could get a study group together and determine what a normal human reaction would be to such an event? “Mr Vice President, we’ve determined that you should go with an initial mix of 75% shock and 25% concern and then fade into a later mix of 45% regret and 45% concern with a residual 10% shock to cover any gaps in your stated memories of the event. You’ll want to avoid any guilt for legal reasons although we may later have you go with contrition if the lawyers clear it. You should hold off on anger or denial until the first news cycle is complete and we’ve had a chance to read the numbers.” ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/403 "2006-02-16T08:30:24Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > Does anyone else suspect that the reason for the delay before Cheney spoke with the press was so that his staff could get a study group together and determine what a normal human reaction would be to such an event? > > “Mr Vice President, we’ve determined that you should go with an initial mix of 75% shock and 25% concern and then fade into a later mix of 45% regret and 45% concern with a residual 10% shock to cover any gaps in your stated memories of the event. You’ll want to avoid any guilt for legal reasons although we may later have you go with contrition if the lawyers clear it. You should hold off on anger or denial until the first news cycle is complete and we’ve had a chance to read the numbers.” Could be. It’s certainly a robotic enough scenario. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/404 "2006-02-16T10:41:01Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > What a thoughtful buddy! As Al Franken said on his show today, in regards to Cheney dining at the ranch while Whittington was in the ICU (paraphrasing) "It was said that Cheney’s demeanor during dinner could be best described as ‘very worried.’ If I had just shot my friend in the face, you could best describe my demeanor as ‘at the hospital getting whatever food I might even be hungry for from a vending machine.’ " This is the one thing I **am** willing to give Cheney a pass on. Seeing as how he’s veep and all, the Secret Service would have wanted to secure not just whatever waiting room he was in at the hospital, but probably a fair amount of surrounding space as well. That would’ve made it harder for the hospital to operate normally, and it would’ve kept the friends and relatives of other patients from being able to use the waiting room. Best that he should stay at the ranch, which is what he did. Of course, I’m surprised he felt like sitting down to dinner. I sure wouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/405 "2006-02-16T14:09:02Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > “Mr Vice President, we’ve determined that you should go with an initial mix of 75% shock and 25% concern and then fade into a later mix of 45% regret and 45% concern with a residual 10% shock to cover any gaps in your stated memories of the event. You’ll want to avoid any guilt for legal reasons although we may later have you go with contrition if the lawyers clear it. You should hold off on anger or denial until the first news cycle is complete and we’ve had a chance to read the numbers.” I think you are spot on with this. But I also see DICK either stating that he must stay on message and stand resolute or else be perceived as weak OR him actually asking someone how to show concern and remorse. I can’t make up my mind which. Either is disgusting. There is a small slice of the heart that is on the right side, so perhaps the shot lodged there. Frankly, having cared for elderly men for 20 years–it’s not all that uncommon for one to have atrial fibrillation as a their baseline heart rhythym. I have not heard the docs say that this Afib is new. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/406 "2006-02-16T15:38:51Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Somewhere along the way I heard that the pellet in or near the heart had moved there - it wasn’t shot right to his heart. I _guess_ that would be through a blood stream, The pellet is embedded in the muscle of the heart, and couldn’t have migrated there from the blood stream. There is a fluid filled sac named the pericardium that surrounds the heart, and from what I’ve seen the pellet was in there. Scar tissue will eventually surround foreign objects in the body, but before that happened the pellet was traveling around freeley. I think there is some misunderstanding when folks are saying that Whittington was shot on the right side of his body are taking that to mean that he was standing with right side of his body to the shot. What I take it to mean is that he was facing Cheney, and that the grouping of pellets struck Whittington on the right side of his body. That also begs the question, how could a pellet grouping from a 28 gauge 7½ shot shell remain that tight at 30 yards? Is this some sort of special shell that cleans, guts, and makes hamburger out of the quail? 30 feet is more like it. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/407 "2006-02-16T16:19:02Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > “Mr Vice President, we’ve determined that you should go with an initial mix of 75% shock and 25% concern and then fade into a later mix of 45% regret and 45% concern with a residual 10% shock to cover any gaps in your stated memories of the event. You’ll want to avoid any guilt for legal reasons although we may later have you go with contrition if the lawyers clear it. You should hold off on anger or denial until the first news cycle is complete and we’ve had a chance to read the numbers.” “This is useful advice, boys, but aren’t you forgetting the 10% of my brain cycles that must remain devoted to blaming the media?” “Of course, sir. We’re referring to 75% and 25% of the remaining 90%.” “All right then. Begin download.” “Downloading.” “… I know kung fu.” “Abort! Abort!” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/408 "2006-02-16T17:44:24Z")
From [Scripps-Howard](http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=CHENEY-SHERIFF-02-15-06&cat=WW): > [@](#): > > No one in the federal government has told Sheriff Ramon Salinas III and his deputies how to do their job, Salinas said. He was the one who decided not to go to the ranch to investigate until Sunday, the day after Vice President Cheney shot and wounded Austin, Texas, lawyer Harry Whittington on a quail hunt. Salinas based the decision on witness accounts and advice from people on the ranch he knows and trusts, including a former sheriff. > > “Everybody’s been saying there’s a cover-up from the time they heard about this,” he said. “That is not true.” > > Salinas said he was barbecuing with his family at 5:30 p.m. Saturday when he received a call from sheriff’s Capt. Charles Kirk. > > “He told me he heard of a possible hunting accident on Armstrong Ranch.” > > Minutes later, Salinas got a call from a U.S. Secret Service agent. > > “He said the reason he was calling was to officially notify the sheriff’s department that the vice president was involved in that shooting accident.” > > Soon after, Salinas said, Kirk called him from the Armstrong Ranch gate. He told him he was there with a U.S. Border Patrol agent who didn’t know what was going on. > > “I told him don’t worry about it. I’ll make a call,” Salinas said. > > Salinas called Ramiro Medellin Jr., a former sheriff who lives on Armstrong Ranch and works as a ranch hand. Medellin called Salinas back and confirmed the incident was an accident. > > It was at this point that Salinas decided to wait until the next morning to send an officer to investigate the incident. > > “We’ve known these people (witnesses) for years. They are honest and wouldn’t call us, telling us a lie,” Salinas said. “I talked to an eyewitness who said it was a definite accident. We knew Mr. Whittington was being cared for.” So now the story is that Salinas was willing to forgo interviewing the shooter while any alcohol or drugs in his system might still show up, simply on the word of his old buddy who now works for the Veep’s rich friends. These are honest people, yeah. Like Katharine Armstrong, who claimed to be an eyewitness, although she saw so little of what was happening that she initially assumed Cheney’d had a heart attack. And Cheney said yesterday that she was the _most_ trustworthy of the people there. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/409 "2006-02-16T18:57:33Z")
> [@](#): > > We’ve known these people (witnesses) for years. They are honest and wouldn’t call us, telling us a lie," Salinas said. “I talked to an eyewitness who said it was a definite accident. We knew Mr. Whittington was being cared for.” Well, I’ll be. I’m an honest person and I wouldnt’ tell a lie, but I sure hope that if I am shot in Texas that the sheriff moseys over to check, things out in a more timely fashion, say, after his sun tea is done brewing and all. Morons. Utter morons. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/410 "2006-02-16T19:01:56Z")
Honestly **RT** , I’m a bit dumbfounded by everyone’s insistence that there’s some huge coverup going on despite consistent reports to the contrary from those that would be most affected were that to be true. So now we’ve got the sheriff, his deputies, an ex-sheriff, the Secret Service, Cheney, the ambassador to Switzerland, eyewitnesses to the accident, dedgum Whittington himself, his family and his doctors ALL CONSPIRING TO HIDE EXACTLY WHAT??? Cheney said he did it. It was an accident. He didn’t benefit one bit from it being reported the next day or from it coming from the CC paper instead of the NY Times. Man, I totally understand not liking Cheney but people are blowing this all out of proportion in their zeal to do his reputation and standing harm. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/411 "2006-02-16T19:02:48Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Well, I’ll be. I’m an honest person and I wouldnt’ tell a lie, but I sure hope that if I am shot in Texas that the sheriff moseys over to check, things out in a more timely fashion, say, after his sun tea is done brewing and all. > > Morons. Utter morons. Look, Yankee, you got no cause to be talking about how things work in Texas. Now you best apoogize before I’m forced to fill you full of lead and skin your ass for flag number seven! –OR– If you don’t like it you can jest geddout! -Joe, not a Texan ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/412 "2006-02-16T19:21:07Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Look, Yankee, you got no cause to be talking about how things work in Texas. Now you best apoogize before I’m forced to fill you full of lead and skin your ass for flag number seven! > > –OR– > > If you don’t like it you can jest geddout! > > -Joe, not a Texan Skin my ass for flag number seven? \ WTH does that mean, officer? I think I’ll leave Texas (Austin can come with)–buh bye! **lieu** – I am not thinking in terms of cover-up. I am thinking in terms of arrogance, entitlement, good ole boys (who so aren’t in every way), and the chilly disregard for proper feelings/appropriate actions and remorse. But if you want to bash away at conspiracies, have at it. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/413 "2006-02-16T19:26:42Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > Honestly **RT** , I’m a bit dumbfounded by everyone’s insistence that there’s some huge coverup going on despite consistent reports to the contrary from those that would be most affected were that to be true. So now we’ve got the sheriff, his deputies, an ex-sheriff, the Secret Service, Cheney, the ambassador to Switzerland, eyewitnesses to the accident, dedgum Whittington himself, his family and his doctors ALL CONSPIRING TO HIDE EXACTLY WHAT??? That Cheney and company were dead drunk. And they have done a superb job. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/414 "2006-02-16T19:44:50Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > ALL CONSPIRING TO HIDE EXACTLY WHAT??? [Just a rumor, just a rumor.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/was-cheney-hiding-his-lew_b_15705.html) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/415 "2006-02-16T19:46:18Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > That Cheney and company were dead drunk. And they have done a superb job. I rather doubt that a man with Cheney’s health history and the medications that he might be on should or does get really plastered. He probably had a couple beers and didn’t want that fact to get out, hence the coverup. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/416 "2006-02-16T20:04:40Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Skin my ass for flag number seven? \ > > WTH does that mean, officer? Not a Texan, but as a WAG, I’ll note that Six Flags over Texas is not only the name of an amusement park, but a reference to the fact that the state has officially flown six flags throughout its history. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/417 "2006-02-16T20:12:33Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > Man, I totally understand not liking Cheney but people are blowing this all out of proportion in their zeal to do his reputation and standing harm. Please do not take the following as an attempt to compare Dick Cheney with Al Capone. Al Capone did not go to Alcatraz for bootlegging, weapons violations, racketeering, murder-for-hire, or bribery of government officials; he went to Alcatraz for income tax evasion. The world will be a better place when Dick Cheney suffers the consequences of having harm done to his reputation and his standing. As long as it is not done fraudulently, I’m not in the mood to be exceptionally picky about how this outcome is achieved. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/418 "2006-02-16T20:15:06Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Not a Texan, but as a WAG, I’ll note that Six Flags over Texas is not only the name of an amusement park, but a reference to the fact that the state has officially flown six flags throughout its history. Thanks. Considering how Texans just won’t STFU about the Six Flags (at least in my experience) I sometimes forget that some people don’t actually know the relevance… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Mal\_Adroit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df788c/32.png) [@Mal\_Adroit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mal_Adroit)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/419 "2006-02-16T20:17:32Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Please do not take the following as an attempt to compare Dick Cheney with Al Capone. -insert “be pretty feckin insulting to Al Capone if you did” joke here- ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2006, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/420 "2006-02-16T20:53:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [Just a rumor, just a rumor.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/was-cheney-hiding-his-lew_b_15705.html) Naw, the man would need blood rather than icewater in his veins for that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164.md?page=22)